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Hey everyone,

I want to compare my Cyborg Datalogs with you guys. I did 3 short runs on E30 this morning on my way home from work. Nice cool morning at 51 degrees and I got some nice numbers. I wanna see what other people are getting especially those with the External wastegates.

http://datazap.me/u/joszer/cyborg-e30-4616?log=0&data=5-8
Are you running stock tire size (205/40/17) out of curiosity? Ran a quick vDyno of your logs compared to my custom Stratified tune on 93 Octane and I came up with some pretty weirdly low reads on your first (Highest reading) log from your datazap? I'm using the parameters from the standard vDyno Results thread one subforum above us, so I don't think that could be off. I also put your weight in as 195 because I don't know how much you weigh and Google says that's about what most average males weigh. Numbers went up when I used the diameter from my PSS (205/45/17) to about 250 whp, though.

Maybe I've used a wrong value somewhere? I feel like you should be reading higher on a modified turbo and e30.

 


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Are you running stock tire size (205/40/17) out of curiosity? Ran a quick vDyno of your logs compared to my custom Stratified tune on 93 Octane and I came up with some pretty weirdly low reads on your first (Highest reading) log from your datazap? I'm using the parameters from the standard vDyno Results thread one subforum above us, so I don't think that could be off. I also put your weight in as 195 because I don't know how much you weigh and Google says that's about what most average males weigh. Numbers went up when I used the diameter from my PSS (205/45/17) to about 250 whp, though.

Maybe I've used a wrong value somewhere? I feel like you should be reading higher on a modified turbo and e30.

It's funny that you should mention that, because based on the data through Vdyno, I feel like I should be making more as well. Using a 215/40/17 tire, 180 weight, and all the Fiesta ST specs in VDyno; I normally get anywhere from 235-240 hp. I am not sure if that's what I should be expecting from the Turbo? Seems like [MENTION=688]Sourskittle[/MENTION] was making more power, but he was running higher levels of ethanol and running more boost as well. I think my tune could be more conservative than his? I don't think Adam would tune a car and push it up to it's absolute limit , I don't think that would be ok for reliability's sake. All in all this is all just Data. For comparison's sake, my car accelerates up to 110-120 just as fast as my room mate's 370z from a 20 mph roll, so I guess that could be saying something. Maybe we could have Adam ( [MENTION=3805]Tune+[/MENTION] ) look at the data and chime in?
 


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It's funny that you should mention that, because based on the data through Vdyno, I feel like I should be making more as well. Using a 215/40/17 tire, 180 weight, and all the Fiesta ST specs in VDyno; I normally get anywhere from 235-240 hp. I am not sure if that's what I should be expecting from the Turbo? Seems like [MENTION=688]Sourskittle[/MENTION] was making more power, but he was running higher levels of ethanol and running more boost as well. I think my tune could be more conservative than his? I don't think Adam would tune a car and push it up to it's absolute limit , I don't think that would be ok for reliability's sake. All in all this is all just Data. For comparison's sake, my car accelerates up to 110-120 just as fast as my room mate's 370z from a 20 mph roll, so I guess that could be saying something. Maybe we could have Adam ( [MENTION=3805]Tune+[/MENTION] ) look at the data and chime in?
Which tires? Proper diameter makes a sizable difference when it comes to vDyno numbers as the diameters are all different between tires. I don't know how fast a 20mph roll to 100 in a 370z is sadly. :(

I think skittle runs WMI, which makes a ton of difference, as well.
 


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Which tires? Proper diameter makes a sizable difference when it comes to vDyno numbers as the diameters are all different between tires. I don't know how fast a 20mph roll to 100 in a 370z is sadly. :(

I think skittle runs WMI, which makes a ton of difference, as well.
I'm running the DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC
 


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Timing and boost and afr
Compare. Sorry, busy at the moment :)


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Timing and boost and afr
Compare. Sorry, busy at the moment :)


Cyborg turbo, TBE, panda TR6 intercooler, drop in green filter.
245whp 293Tq V-dyno
13.3@104mph
Do you have the datalog for that particular quoted number? I'd like to take a look a compare that one with what happened in Joszer's for myself. Also what tires were you running on that?
 


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My v dyno's have been in the 240-255 whp 250-270tq range on 93. Still going through the tuning phase but I'll set up a datazap thing later tonight and post some of mine
 


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I'm running the DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC
Re-did the vDyno and checked to make sure all of my parameters were correct. Then I added your weight and the appropriate tire diameter for your ZII Star Specs (23.8" if you're curious) and got the below result. I still feel like this is low for a modified turbo and e30, but that's my opinion. On my winter tires (23.7" in diameter for comparison) I was laying down 216hp/301tq with just a tune on 93 Octane. A comparison would show you've gained 20hp, but lost 57lbft of torque by comparison and you're still pushing up to 26.5 psi of boost for much longer while I'm around 24 and tapering off much sooner. This is a bit jarring because we've seen people put down similar horsepower, but higher torque with just corn juice and an intercooler before.

I would like to see further analysis to determine whether or not you are an outlier. Frankie said he'd be posting logs, so I look forward to seeing them.

 


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[MENTION=2740]commonplatypus[/MENTION] here ya go. my most recent log v-dyno. still tuning but it feels awesome. the 2J intercooler doesnt seem to be capable of keeping charge temps down though. its a shame, ill have to upgrade eventually. probably will just stop messing around and get the DHM+crash bar.

93 octane. continental extremecontact dws 205/50/16, my "winter" tires. all logs have been done on these tires so far. diameter is 24.09"
i weigh in at 220lbs

datazap.me/u/frankiefiesta

 


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Why don't you check the numbers at 6200-6500rpm?
I run 235/40-17
I think star specs maybe bigger than advertised.
V-dyno is a great tool for round about numbers. Honestly, I feel like V-dyno is a better tool than a real dynojet because V-dyno loads the car in a way no dynojet can. But both are really shrouded a bit. If you really want to know, weigh the car, drive to a 1/4 mile drag strip, lay down a 2.0 or better 60ft time and look at the mph. 2.7 60ft short times need not apply.
The drag strip doesn't lie.

Look for 27psi at about 18-19degrees of timing advance on a cool/cold day with less than 15 degrees of charge temp rise with mpfi meth, 2J intake and full cyborg.
If you have a weak intercooler, non-2J intake, no meth injection, on a hot day, an internal wastegate, catted or restrictive exhaust... I mean... Its really all apples to oranges.

But if find a car running 26-27psi to redline, 18-19 degrees of timing then they should be in the same area as me. Thing is.... Most tuners are running lower boost, and lower timing, not to mention some guys don't want the cost or the noise of more "race car" parts.

People estimate real car weight about 95% of time. And tire size is important ( V dyno actually doesn't look at how wide or sticky the tire is, which DOES have an effect on the friction loss of any given tire ).
Even guys with bigger brakes have variables not figured into V-dyno. Or lighter wheels.

At the end of the day... Its variables stacked on top of variables that equal something that is sorta accurate.

I want to see anyone with as much timing and boost and meth injection as I'm running, that DOESNT make 270whp. Not close. Not sorta. The difference is... The difference.




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Dang Frank, and that's smoothing on "1". That's super smooth power, regardless of what the peaks are or are not.


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[MENTION=2740]commonplatypus[/MENTION] here ya go. my most recent log v-dyno. still tuning but it feels awesome. the 2J intercooler doesnt seem to be capable of keeping charge temps down though. its a shame, ill have to upgrade eventually. probably will just stop messing around and get the DHM+crash bar.

93 octane. continental extremecontact dws 205/50/16, my "winter" tires. all logs have been done on these tires so far. diameter is 24.09"
i weigh in at 220lbs

datazap.me/u/frankiefiesta

Why did you run smoothing at "1" for this log as opposed to 3, where it looks smooth and readable? Very confused here. I would actually maybe even consider increasing this to Smoothing of 4 to even it out more. Looks like maybe you had some bumps on this road or it may have had some incline or decline to it. I would consider hunting for a smoother road. :)

This is what I got with those parameters with showing a diameter of 24.1" on those tires according to Tire Rack specs. I used a smoothness of 3 and got the following result with your parameters. Looks like there isn't a whole lot of difference in power between 93 octane and e30 on the Cyborg, which is strange to me. Actually, it's dead on almost the same despite the octane differences. I used your latest log listed on your datazap with the DHM tuning.

 


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Why did you run smoothing at "1" for this log as opposed to 3, where it looks smooth and readable? Very confused here. I would actually maybe even consider increasing this to Smoothing of 4 to even it out more. Looks like maybe you had some bumps on this road or it may have had some incline or decline to it. I would consider hunting for a smoother road. :)

This is what I got with those parameters with showing a diameter of 24.1" on those tires according to Tire Rack specs. I used a smoothness of 3 and got the following result with your parameters. Looks like there isn't a whole lot of difference in power between 93 octane and e30 on the Cyborg, which is strange to me. Actually, it's dead on almost the same despite the octane differences. I used your latest log listed on your datazap with the DHM tuning.

Sorry I'm still new to the whole v-dyno thing. The road I go on to do the logs is a straight freeway that looks flat (to me). I could try other spots along the freeway but it's probably the smoothest road in the area.

The guy running e30 uses Adam for tuning, who isn't very fond of the cyborg to begin with. I'm using DHM. Different tuners, different results. If I had ethanol in my area I would put money on the cyborg pushing even more power with e30.

The closest station with e85 is about 45-60 min drive. There is also a cycle shop in town that stocks VP race fuels. Might do that next
 


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The guy running e30 uses Adam for tuning, who isn't very fond of the cyborg to begin with. I'm using DHM. Different tuners, different results. If I had ethanol in my area I would put money on the cyborg
Which brings me to the question..... Who tunes commonplatious's car?
 


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Sorry I'm still new to the whole v-dyno thing. The road I go on to do the logs is a straight freeway that looks flat (to me). I could try other spots along the freeway but it's probably the smoothest road in the area.

The guy running e30 uses Adam for tuning, who isn't very fond of the cyborg to begin with. I'm using DHM. Different tuners, different results. If I had ethanol in my area I would put money on the cyborg pushing even more power with e30.

The closest station with e85 is about 45-60 min drive. There is also a cycle shop in town that stocks VP race fuels. Might do that next
No big deal. It's just something I see in the logs I take on roads I know aren't smooth. The best thing is consistency. This will show you more deltas than changing roads, though it might be worth it for you to consider down the line so you can get that nice clean data. I've had logs smooth on curve down to 1 smoothing before and it was one of my proudest moments with the car.

It took my a very long time to find really good road surfaces as well. I'm never in a spot where I am happy with the road I am on if they don't look like that log.

I don't think Adam would sabotage a tune just because someone was running Cyborg. That's kind of what I got from that statement in your second paragraph, but I could have misunderstood. I don't know anything about Adam's relationship with the Cyborg turbo.

My concern here is that we now have two independents users with different octanes making the same power. One on 93 and the other on e30. By all accounts the e39 should make more power without question. Either I have put something in wrong into vDyno, which I have checked a few times now. I even cleanly reinstalled and reinstalled to make sure it was fine with no change, and still gotten the same result.

There has to be an explanation for these numbers as the turbo is modified and should be producing more than we see here, which is what I've been led to believe with this upgrade. I mean for a few hundred dollars more you can replace the turbo entirely and make a ton more power. It leads one to ask why stop here and not move onto the big turbo itself to increase your value per dollar spent.
 


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No big deal. It's just something I see in the logs I take on roads I know aren't smooth. The best thing is consistency. This will show you more deltas than changing roads, though it might be worth it for you to consider down the line so you can get that nice clean data. I've had logs smooth on curve down to 1 smoothing before and it was one of my proudest moments with the car.

It took my a very long time to find really good road surfaces as well. I'm never in a spot where I am happy with the road I am on if they don't look like that log.

I don't think Adam would sabotage a tune just because someone was running Cyborg. That's kind of what I got from that statement in your second paragraph, but I could have misunderstood. I don't know anything about Adam's relationship with the Cyborg turbo.

My concern here is that we now have two independents users with different octanes making the same power. One on 93 and the other on e30. By all accounts the e39 should make more power without question. Either I have put something in wrong into vDyno, which I have checked a few times now. I even cleanly reinstalled and reinstalled to make sure it was fine with no change, and still gotten the same result.

There has to be an explanation for these numbers as the turbo is modified and should be producing more than we see here, which is what I've been led to believe with this upgrade. I mean for a few hundred dollars more you can replace the turbo entirely and make a ton more power. It leads one to ask why stop here and not move onto the big turbo itself to increase your value per dollar spent.
93oct car is tuned by Russ. E30 car is tuned by Adam. That's prob the biggest difference.

What are the difference ( or sound "more smart" aka cool-guy, DELTA ) in the logs? The data has been put out there, is one person running 10 degrees of timing and 23psi the next person running 15 degrees of timing and 26psi and me running 18-19 degrees of timing and 29psi falling to 26-27psi but all doing the same numbers?

Lets just put it out there. Adam's not a cyborg fan. He's not really interested in tuning cyborg cars and its pretty much for the same reason I tune almost exclusively on E30+ vs 93oct.

Most cyborgs are tuned by Adam since A) he's the cheapest around ( and I def mention that often, its a great deal, hard to beat price point wise ).
B) people most of time already have paid Adam for life time tuning way before they go the cyborg route ( two budget minded mods, only makes sense ).
C) That I can think of... Frank's car making great power on 93oct is the only one I've seen that Russ has tuned ( and I don't think its totally done yet ) and its already making better power than EVERYONE ELSE ( including me on pump gas, that shit sucks, lol ).

D) If you were just asking for logs to make/start arguments and "delta" and "data" because the cyborg isn't for you (reddit), then at least post up what your really thinking.... Don't ask for data from people that are trying to be helpful to you just to try and spin things around and start questioning them.

Riddle me this... Where are the bad cyborg reviews? I think I've let every person that has bought a cyborg know, that is they give me a bad review or they are un-happy, then I wouldn't be mad at them, dis-like them, talk crap about them, and I just wanted them to be honest about what they paid for and what they got.... And I ant seen a negative review yet.


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Whoa, IDK "delta" made you sound a little smarter. All these years I thought it was the beer.

I recall exactly when I asked SS what I might make from current Cobb S3 car to Cyborg on pump gas. He said maybe 230 hp with a tune. Maybe 250 with E30.

I am not aware of any change in hardware, software or physics since I ordered one. Seriously folks, its not a big turbo. Its a DD with extra legs up top where us track guys like it.

P.S. What SS does with turbos should not be tried at home.
 




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