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2018 Next Gen Ford Fiesta Revealed

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From a drivers perspective FWD is much better to learn and push on a track/stage. Many drivers start on a lightweight FWD platform to develop their skills for AWD.

I think the next-gen ST formula has already been out in the world for a while behold the Fiesta R2, FWD, LSD, using the 1.0. Of course it will need some polishing and with creature comforts added back in it will probaly weigh just as much as the current gen, but coupled with an LSD, 6-speed with the gearing out of the ST200, or even a race-oriented 5-speed, which shouldn't hurt the mpg much given that it is mated to the 1.0, and that a 6 speed would require shifting all the time with the less torque.

Released last year, and costs around 55,000-60,000 built. A kit by itself is about 30,000 if you already have a 12,000$ Fiesta 1.0 and includes all this:
Rollcage Kit; Welded Items Kit; Bonnet & Boot Pin Kit; Engine Mounting
Kit Water/Air, Gearbox Cooler Kit; Engine Kit; Air Intake Kit;
Exhaust System Kit; Sequential Gearbox Kit; Gearchange
Kit; Driveshaft Kit; Clutch Kit; Steering Kit; Tarmac or Gravel
Brake Kit; Brake Upgrade Kit; Hydraulic Handbrake Kit;
Front Suspension Upgrade Kit; Tarmac or Gravel Damper
Kit; Tarmac or Gravel Spring Kit; Rear Beam Upgrade Kit;
Auxiliary Wiring Loom Kit; Engine Management Kit; Battery
Kit; Cooling Kit; FIA Fuel Cell; Interior Panel Kit; Seats &
Restraints Kit; Demisting Kit; Fire Extinguisher Kit; Spare
Wheel Strap Kit; Co-Driver Footrest Kit; Windscreen
Washer Kit; Fuel Tank / Crossmember Guards and 6mm
Sumpguard Kit.

None of which we really need.

The ST would only need basics which already on the current-gen, drop them into a 1.0 Fiesta, and voila, probably what Ford will do.

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/motorsport/rallying/m-sport-the-cars/fiesta-r2-details/technical-specification

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/images/New_R2_Sales_Document_v6_2.pdf

Also this video kinda of pits the 1.0 vs the R2. But you can really see how much an LSD makes a difference in turning and accelerating.

[video=youtube;8A-xDJ7BJak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-xDJ7BJak[/video]
 


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Well isn't the ecosport coming here? Same platform and add last I heard.
Yup...2018 Ford EcoSport

http://www.ford.com/suvs/ecosport/

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/2018-ford-ecosport-subcompact-suv-america/

http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/ecosport

Power comes from either a 1.0-liter turbocharged EcoBoost three-cylinder for front-wheel-drive models or a 2.0-liter four-cylinder for buyers who opt for four-wheel drive.
Built on Ford?s B-segment (think Fiesta) platform...
 


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Well isn't the ecosport coming here? Same platform and add last I heard.
Yeah it's on a modified version of the Ford B3 platform with different rear suspension, possible engine layout (could be NS), and interior that allows for a driveshaft/Transmission tunnel. We don't know yet because they haven't made any AWD EcoSport's yet. But from an engineering persepective, I don't think it'll be transferable.
 


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This exactly what I was saying. Ecosport can hold the 2.0 and awd. They CAN make it work if they so choose. The focus wasn't initally designed to be awd either, but they restructured the chassis and parts to make it work. If you look at a stock RS exhaust, you'll see crushed pipe to get around tight spaces. But the price point and the demand are what will hold it back from happening. A slightly bigger turbo (x37 style), s200 close ratio gears , LSD, and bigger stock fuel system would keep costs low and smiles high. Lol
 


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This exactly what I was saying. Ecosport can hold the 2.0 and awd. They CAN make it work if they so choose. The focus wasn't initally designed to be awd either, but they restructured the chassis and parts to make it work. If you look at a stock RS exhaust, you'll see crushed pipe to get around tight spaces. But the price point and the demand are what will hold it back from happening. A slightly bigger turbo (x37 style), s200 close ratio gears , LSD, and bigger stock fuel system would keep costs low and smiles high. Lol
It's going to hold those. It can't yet. The fact is they have to massively modify the body, chassis and rear suspension design to make it happen. Those changes are not going to be transferrable to the Fiesta.
 


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That's exactly what they did for the Focus RS chassis... why couldn't they do it to the fiesta? Swapping to IRS isn't rocket science, it's ford science. ;)
 


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That's exactly what they did for the Focus RS chassis... why couldn't they do it to the fiesta? Swapping to IRS isn't rocket science, it's ford science. ;)
Besides Ford is not in the business for making a car that 15 people on an enthusiast forum will think is cool :) It needs to justify itself in the market place. Adding a complex IRS system to a platform that was never designed to accomadate IRS is going to take a lot of resources. In addition, they will have source new suppliers, and figure out the manufacturing procress and testing of it etc. The physical cost of it is going to outweigh the profits, period. It's not going to happen. I'll buy you a beer if it does haha
 


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I totally agree with you that the cost and R&D totally outweighs what's realistic for us consumers. Anything is possible, that's why I said I think they could, but it's not worth it for them. And I agree with you, it isn't gonna happen.
 


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But a 2.0t swap with and LSD thought to me doesn't seem like it could be a far fetch from reality. I'll keep hopes high lol.
 


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Absolutely beautiful! I'm sold. The interior looks roomier or something...


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AWD on the RS was only introduced with the latest Focus. All RS previously were still front wheel drive so it's not critical that an RS must have AWD.
 


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AWD on the RS was only introduced with the latest Focus. All RS previously were still front wheel drive so it's not critical that an RS must have AWD.
True, but the tradition right before that, with the Escort RSes/Sierra Cossie RSes, WAS AWD for that designation. [wink]
 


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From a drivers perspective FWD is much better to learn and push on a track/stage. Many drivers start on a lightweight FWD platform to develop their skills for AWD.

I think the next-gen ST formula has already been out in the world for a while behold the Fiesta R2, FWD, LSD, using the 1.0. Of course it will need some polishing and with creature comforts added back in it will probaly weigh just as much as the current gen, but coupled with an LSD, 6-speed with the gearing out of the ST200, or even a race-oriented 5-speed, which shouldn't hurt the mpg much given that it is mated to the 1.0, and that a 6 speed would require shifting all the time with the less torque.

Released last year, and costs around 55,000-60,000 built. A kit by itself is about 30,000 if you already have a 12,000$ Fiesta 1.0 and includes all this:
Rollcage Kit; Welded Items Kit; Bonnet & Boot Pin Kit; Engine Mounting
Kit Water/Air, Gearbox Cooler Kit; Engine Kit; Air Intake Kit;
Exhaust System Kit; Sequential Gearbox Kit; Gearchange
Kit; Driveshaft Kit; Clutch Kit; Steering Kit; Tarmac or Gravel
Brake Kit; Brake Upgrade Kit; Hydraulic Handbrake Kit;
Front Suspension Upgrade Kit; Tarmac or Gravel Damper
Kit; Tarmac or Gravel Spring Kit; Rear Beam Upgrade Kit;
Auxiliary Wiring Loom Kit; Engine Management Kit; Battery
Kit; Cooling Kit; FIA Fuel Cell; Interior Panel Kit; Seats &
Restraints Kit; Demisting Kit; Fire Extinguisher Kit; Spare
Wheel Strap Kit; Co-Driver Footrest Kit; Windscreen
Washer Kit; Fuel Tank / Crossmember Guards and 6mm
Sumpguard Kit.

None of which we really need.

The ST would only need basics which already on the current-gen, drop them into a 1.0 Fiesta, and voila, probably what Ford will do.

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/motorsport/rallying/m-sport-the-cars/fiesta-r2-details/technical-specification

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/images/New_R2_Sales_Document_v6_2.pdf

Also this video kinda of pits the 1.0 vs the R2. But you can really see how much an LSD makes a difference in turning and accelerating.

[video=youtube;8A-xDJ7BJak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-xDJ7BJak[/video]
I don't get the love for AWD. I have been to rally school twice and my favorite car was the FiST. A FWD vehicle when driven properly will be plenty fast and will be a lot more fun. AWD adds weight and kills feel, most racers will agree a properly set up FWD vehicle even on a wet track will have no problem keeping up with a AWD vehicle. The only hands down benefit AWD adds is off the line acceleration, other then that there are trade off's.
 


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Why would you want the 2.0 l engine? Though it does have more power, it is, apparently, a lot more prone to breakage!
Honestly the 2.0 is weak sauce. It isn't horrible at handling power but struggles to make it unless your ok with going past bolt-ons. Even then something like a GTX2867 or EFR6758 struggle to make more then 350whp. Aux fuel is a must and internals are wise above 350whp. If your into TQ that's where the 2.0 shines, bolted and tuned 380WTQ is achievable on the stock snail but only with 260whp so you feel it, and revving the engine out is pointless.

Coming from the 2.0, I love my tiny 1.6 way better and the fun has just begun for me :). The 2.3 though has awesome potential though and one of the many reasons why my FoST was just a filler car for a few years. Coming from a Balt SS I thought I could at least achieve decent gains with minor work but that wasn't the case, and as the platform moved on it seemed even doing moderate work, results wouldn't be amazing. The head is a big restricting factor and the 2.0s roots shine through when you start shelling out money for mods.
 


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^^^Is the exhaust manifold an integral part of the head (i.e.; permanently attached) on BOTH the 2.0 AND the 2.3 Ecoboost powerplants? [dunno]
 


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Ok and what about before that??? :) Not to mention the first Cossie's were RWD
Of course, but IF AWD is such a disadvantage, even in all conditions (as you say), then WHY is it still the given drive train setup in WRC/R5/etc., despite NONE of the current cars competing in this series offering this configuration in the street/publicly available models which are used as a basis for the rally machines, making a complicated, and homologated, rally spec 'kit' a necessity to go with AWD?? [dunno]

Even when there was talk about changing the WRC spec rules to FWD ONLY in the recent past, there was MAJOR push back on that issue from the majority of the manufacturers AND competitors.

Do ALL of the fanboys of the Nippon 'rally twins' (Evos/STIs/WRXes) literally hate that their rides have drive going to the rear wheels as well as the front, and would actually prefer them to be ONLY FWD? [???:)]
 


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