Well shit, I didn't even have a speech prepared because I didn't think this day was going to come.
Look, way back in the beginning you were just a guy with a high mileage car and I was just a guy that was interested in seeing what shape the valves were in to give me more of an idea of how well Ford had mitigated (or tried) issues that other DI communities were fighting tooth-and-nail. It could have literally been that simple and all of this nonsense could have been avoided. None of this should have ever even been a thing.
This is a great example of why I've basically left the community though; it seems that we have become (or at least have been) a very fact-resistant community. People are too busy trying to feel like they're important to actually worry about whether they're correct. I've tried posting information to help people become informed, but that didn't seem to have the effect I hoped because I'm not the best communicator online. Using this example, it should never have taken over a year for someone to understand this particular basic and easily-tested concept.
I appreciate the fact that you at least posted up on here when you had supporting information from a source you trusted, even though it was against your opinion. You could have just as well gone on forever never admitting that you had the info, and it takes a lot to admit publicly when you're wrong. Take a rep point and bury the hatchet, just know that you're obligated to correct the next clown that thinks the USDM FiST is MAF-tuned.
First and foremost,
More importantly though, Tuning in this environment is worse than some lost forgotten voodoo chant from a tibetan monk.
There is absolutely no reason this had to go on so long, all it would have taken is for a noted expert like Mountune, Cobb, or any other well branded tuner to step up and say, hey, no MAF here. That's is. But even when I called Cobb just to ask, it was like I had asked for the keys to Fort Knox. I spent a lot of money going to Electronic Fuel Injection Management classes so that I could learn to tune my other cars with HP Tuners as this is my first Ford. And I get it, they are not the same car, but the technology is the same. Since last night apparently the revelations kept coming. I also found out from a friend of mine in Michigan, who did the LSX in the Solstace that the MAF sensor has not really expanded its ability to measure air over 12,000Hertz and while you can get a piece that allows you to rescale, it just is going WOT after that. Again, had that information been know, there would have been absolutely no reason for this to go on for as long as it did.
Dont be offended, Who are you? right? Who are any of us? Your just a guy posting on a open forum. That doesn't give you any credibility for no other reason than the one you gave, and why you said you left. You could have really been responsible for tuning the space shuttle, but I dont know that. All I have is your word. You make a very valid point, The forums are full of people who are so claimed experts, and just because they say it doesnt make it so. And in all of these conversations over the last year, how many times have you stepped up with evidence to back up your claims? Not once. We have had other so called forum experts chime in with their memes to put me down because I am some kind idiot, but none of them provided any backup either. NONE. Telling me that no tuner will admit to using a MAF to tune this car is not evidence. Its like doing your dissertation when you put together your PHD. You have a bibliography section that sites all of your references on how you are basing your conclusions.
So it really brings to a head the real problem, how much help is a forum(not trashing our forum), that refuses to share information from a reliable source?
1. We have a company like COBB(not trashing Cobb), that refuses to sell the pro version of the software unless your a shop, or I make up a fake business, create a fake website, fake email, only to prove to them I am a business so you can buy software to tune your own car. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THE BIG SECRET.
2. Everybody and their bother is so worried about giving up some grand secret about tuning these cars, that they may not be able to to put food on the table.
3. Then you have companies like DHM, that are wanting you to pay up for something they dont even have ready to ship.
4. And Mountune, (Not trashing them either), they dont want me posting anything about them tuning my car until they are complete with the process. Im sure they have their reasons and I will respect their wishes.
For all of these, its a learning process. Showing how it progresses is not making them vulnerable. You (dyn085) if all people should be able to quantify that there is 100 different ways to tune this car. Doest mean the results would be different but for every tuner, I would be willing to bet that there are not 2 of them that went about it the same way and every single one of them thought they were right.
I can only admit what I know at the time I know it. Not one time here, did I ever state anything that was not true as it pertains to ODB II and fuel injection management. I just could not get anyone with accreditation to step up and confirm, because it is all some big secret.
I am very grateful to Randy, he didn't have to say anything. Its not like I am vying for his job or any other tuners job. I don't want to be a professional tuner, and I don't want to be on a forum as an expert in tuning or an expert in anything. I like you if I remember, have built several high horse powered cars and it meant enough to me to want to understand how it works to spend the money and take the classes. That's all it was. If I can help someone out in the audio arena then I am happy to share whatever information I can share that would help someone obtain their goals.
In the end, I'm glad you were proven right and I'm glad I was able to help you be proven right with facts from a reputable person from a reputable company. It means in the future, if I have a question, I have another person I can go to to get reputable advice should you be willing to share.
Thank you Dyn085 for your time and patience.
Sincerely
Antarctica24