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    Tires also differ a bit in how stiff the side wall is. Over the years on my focus running 205 55 15 I have had a few with a softer side wall than I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BronxBomber View Post
    Somehow, I just knew you would chime in on this. LOL
    Yes, while I will be the FIRST to agree with Rick (and the rest) that from a PURIST/ABSOLUTIST performance (and physics of course) standpoint, they are 250% correct, that does not require that everyone do these mods, to EVERY FiST out there.
    Exclusive track car, YES, of course it is a necessity, but not everyone out there is in love with the aesthetics of his beloved 15" 6ULs like he, and the others so vociferously are.

    In fact, if I were building an exclusive track car out of a FiST (which I would not do anyway, since I am a RWD/AWD stalwart for that purpose), it would get custom made 15x8s/8.5s, which are; lighter, stronger, OUR correct PCD, and yes, BETTER LOOKING TO ME than their 'sacred' 6ULs, regardless of the investment involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Sport fan View Post
    Yes, while I will be the FIRST to agree with Rick (and the rest) that from a PURIST performance/physics standpoint, they are 250% correct, that does not require that everyone do these mods, to EVERY FiST out there.
    Exclusive track car, YES, of course it is a necessity, but not everyone out there is in love with the aesthetics of his beloved 15" 6ULs like he, and the others so vociferously are.

    In fact, if I were building an exclusive track car out of a FiST (which I would not do anyway, since I am a RWD/AWD stalwart for that purpose), it would get custom made 15x8s/8.5s, which are; lighter, stronger, OUR correct PCD, and yes, BETTER LOOKING TO ME than their 'sacred' 6ULs, regardless of the investment involved.
    Huh - I thought that you loved the 6UL's and couldn't wait to do a 4x100 conversion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreylyon View Post
    huh - i thought that you loved the 6ul's and couldn't wait to do a 4x100 conversion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreylyon View Post
    Huh - I thought that you loved the 6UL's and couldn't wait to do a 4x100 conversion...
    Yup.
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    ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE MONEY, GREAT POST:)

    And higher pressure will induce added center of tread wear, lower pressure outer edge wear, one more way to look at tire pressures, use a gauge and keep the wear even as you can for longest life but it might give up advantages in other areas. I always carry a little pump to fix flats as no spare tire and to adjust the air up if I needed after dropping it in low grip situations or raise it up for some kind of event, etc...

    Installing stiffer suspension busbings and a harder steering rack bushing will help with feedback and control and of course response as well with the added aspect of a much freer suspension motion that rubber bushings that tighten up at the end of their twist or flex point.

    Some worry about ride, my car rides amazingly well with those mods, 225 on 9" wide 15's, 8/7k swift springs on BC's...and sticks like glue with great feedback and control:)

    (Recently I was in an area with really bad roads and realized I would have to soften the springs a bit if I lived there even on 15's as it was pretty harsh in some places)

    Quote Originally Posted by neeqness View Post
    I know it may seem obvious to many but I still feel it deserves reiterating...another thing which adds to that loose sidewall feel is tire pressure. If the tire pressure is too low while running a high aspect tire, you will increase tire flex.

    This is really ultimately a preference thing and a balancing act though...because tire pressure also affects ride, overall grip, mpgs, and handling and these differences are much more noticeable with these high aspect tires than they are with lower profile tires. Just something to consider for those who try higher aspect tires and don't achieve the results they want. Sometimes these results can be easily obtainable by simply adjusting tire pressure.

    You'll be amazed at the difference that a few psi can make...

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    I know 15s aren't for everyone to each their own. There's nothing wrong with 16 or 17s on these cars if that's what you're more into or what you need or want for your particular setup. I was simply stating that in alot of cases I think some people (not all) stray away from getting 15s because they feel taller sidewalls are going to kill turn in and make the car feel sloppy and that's simply not the case with the right setup. I don't think 23.1-23.4 inch tall tires are going to effect things very much vs the stock 23.5 inch height. The 225/45 bfg rival is 23 inches but again 225 are not a have to thing with 8 inch wheels and 205 in many cases work better for turn in response that most think taller sidewalls are going to kill. I don't really worry much about what is written on the sidewall weather it's 195, 205 or 225 as long as the tread width Is a little less than 8 inches wide I will get the handling ride quality, stability and turn in response I want and love out of the car. Different tires will have stiffer or softer sidewalls and the stiffer they are the less important it is to have that slight stretch for response but either way that setup is going to give optimal feedback and response in my eyes.

    With that said a nice set of lightweight strong 16x8 wheels with some 18 lbs 205/45/16 continental extreme contact sport tires would be a very very nice setup. According to tire rack I think they have a 23.3 overall diameter which would be very close to stock as well. I like the 16x8 et38 rota slipstreams they are selling on 18 racing the ones without the bean hole slots or whatever. I heard 17 lbs but the 16x7 ones are just over 14 lbs I'm thinking the 8 inch versions couldn't be 3 lbs more. I read somewhere else weight on them is closer to 15 lbs and if that is the case then that would be a very solid setup at around 33 lbs per corner for a 16x8 with nice 205/45 tires that are fairly close to stock overall diameter. That is defiantly something to look into and had this setup (both wheels and tires) been available last fall I may have went that route over my td pro race 1.2 wheels in 15x8. I do love my setup and don't regret going that route. I think I am going with the 205/50/15 continental extreme contact sport tires when replacement time comes they seem very solid and perfect for my needs and only 19 lbs and have very solid reviews. This setup will be around 34.5 lbs per corner and ride better than the 16 inch setup I just mentioned because of slightly taller sidewalls. Either setup is a very solid choice for our stock bolt pattern if one doesn't want to do the 4x100 conversion.

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    ^^^Great post!

    IF someone told me that I HAD TO run a 15" wheel on this car starting tomorrow (and I was also allowed to properly lower the car with Swift Spec R springs and a Koni Sport, or Bilstein B8 damper, or a great coil over setup), it would be your current wheels with one of the many (relatively) 225/45-15, stiff sidewall, 200 tread wear donuts out there, on them.

    If I wanted to go really crazy (even for street use), I would go with full tread depth 225/45-15 RA-1s, which have even stiffer yet sidewalls.

    BTW; I DID put a 7.7" tread width tire on an 8" wide wheel, so I did follow that formula at least, even though I am guilty of using 17s which weigh 'sinfully' too much for so many on here. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Sport fan View Post
    ^^^Great post!

    IF someone told me that I HAD TO run a 15" wheel on this car starting tomorrow (and I was also allowed to properly lower the car with Swift Spec R springs and a Koni Sport, or Bilstein B8 damper, or a great coil over setup), it would be your current wheels with one of the many (relatively) 225/45-15, stiff sidewall, 200 tread wear donuts out there, on them.

    If I wanted to go really crazy (even for street use), I would go with full tread depth 225/45-15 RA-1s, which have even stiffer yet sidewalls.

    BTW; I DID put a 7.7" tread width tire on an 8" wide wheel, so I did follow that formula at least, even though I am guilty of using 17s which weigh 'sinfully' too much for so many on here. LOL
    Or better yet I'd like to run those 225/50/15 r888 (I think it is?) If I wasn't concerned with tread life or whatever. I would love 225/50 wish they made more

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    Quote Originally Posted by LILIKE16ST View Post
    Or better yet I'd like to run those 225/50/15 r888 (I think it is?) If I wasn't concerned with tread life or whatever. I would love 225/50 wish they made more
    Yes, I also like that tire A LOT (as well as their R888R), but, neither of those are nearly as 'streetable' in an area which is not a southwestern desert climate (IF you can call ANY 100 tread wear tire 'streetable' at all ;) ), due to their extremely UN-friendly in standing water tread patterns.
    Whereas many road racers/open trackers use the RA-1s at full depth as a wet/rain tire as a less costly alternative to the Hoosier DOT WETS, or Kumho rain tires, and IF those are not made in the sizes they need. ;)

    Also; yes, you can bet that those 100 tread wear, track oriented, 225/50-15s have stiff enough sidewalls that you will not sense ANY 'mushiness' from their sidewall height, especially on an 8" wide wheel.
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