Got my Fiesta ST tuned @ Livernois Motorsports last week and picked up 65 ft/lbs of tq and 18 hp to the wheels peak. In lower RPM the gains are much more. The car feels so much more peppy daily driving it. We have a track rental in a few weeks and I'll do some stock vs tune runs to see how much ET its really worth. Car is bone stock except for the tune.
We are definitely looking forward to you getting some track time in with the car. These gains are phenomenal with just a tune.
Great numbers, I looked on their website and it seems they have their own tuning device?
Correct, we use the MyCal device, the pic above is an older model, but it is the MyCal we use for these
im scratching my head on how you pulled 202 whp from a turbo that's maxed out from the factory with out decreasing temps or reducing back pressure. Even the 277 wtq is high surprising. My tuner couldn't get any higher than what I'm currently at [sig]
There are numerous items we have learned over almost 6 years of tuning and setting records with EcoBoost powered vehicles that allow us to make substantial increases in power, without negatively impacting reliability.
Wow that's great power for tune only. How much was it for everything to get tuned?
As posted above, the tune and tuner together run $599
Yea, they messed with the boost control that cobb doesn't mess with. I've said in a few threads now that uppering the boost is going to be more effective than upping the timing, and cobb only adjust the way the boost comes on, not the peak boost or boost held.
But... There is also a difference in getting a car to be happy on the dyno, and a car being happy on the street/track. Cars are tuned at the drag strip or in BFE for a reason. A dyno can get you close, but its not going to run on street 100% the same way it does on the dyno.
I'm wondering how they adjusted the peak boost and boost holding.
Either way, you've got my attention
You are correct, the dyno is only a portion of the puzzle, and must be coupled with proper street calibration as well. Which of course, was done.
As for what all is adjusted, as mentioned above, we have custom tuned more EcoBoost vehicles than anyone, and have been doing it longer than anyone in the industry, so we do have some unique insight into these engines and their tuning that has amassed over time.
Wow, I did a quick Google search. They've done some crazy good work.
Thank you, I am partial, but I agree
According to the vw tdi forums 23 psi kills this turbo in 3 months or less. Hell, some of them claim to be breaking under stock boost at 18psi. This was also back in 2007. I'm considering an injen intake and retun at 23psi but I also need at minimum 5+ months from the stock turbo until the ATP gtx kit is out. I've also got a heavy foot and am always at full boost.
With any turbo, there will be a threshold that is unsafe, but going slightly above the OEM boost level at high RPM is not going to have a large impact. While it's definitely running harder down low, up top it's not running much harder than stock, so ultimately it's still in the safe zone. Of course, an upgraded turbo offering would be great for this too.
I Can't see these turbos breaking now days because the car stock is 21psi. I can't see ford taking the chance of having to Warrenty all these within the 5yr 60k power train.
Agreed,
There is always a margin of safety, 1-2# is not going to invite early failures.
While there are certainly some gains available above our safe and proven OTS maps, the gains shown by the OP to be completely void of anything we've seen to date on a stock car. The big spike in torque followed by a 25lb-ft oscillation seems concerning. They should definitely look into fixing that for the OP.
We've spent countless hours on the dyno, road testing, and tested several methods, strategies, and configurations. Our final settings reflect this effort and allow the car to run in an optimal, safe, and consistent fashion.
Cheers,
-Braden @ COBB
We definitely have spent the better part of nearly 6 years diving into the EcoBoost family of engines head first. Obviously, I do not know what you have personally seen, but as with all EcoBoost engines, there is a massive amount of room for improvement in the Low and middle range, while not as much left up top, until serious mods start happening. This car is no exception. We have seen the confusion associated with our results before on other platforms as people enter the EcoBoost arena for tuning, these engines are unique, as is their tuning logic. When we first had people join us on the SHO, F150, Explorer, Flex, Escape, and Fusion, many times people were in disbelief, that is of course, until they tried it out first hand. We always try our best to put factual and accurate information out for our customer's to view, while never making any negative comments towards other's results, and of course, appreciate the same.
So more is to gained by ignition timing advance than increased boost pressure?
On the consistency side... I wouldn't doubt at all if the ecu dropped the boost back down after these pulls. That wastegate duty cycle adapts FAST.
And again... Dyno vs driving down the road is going to a good load difference ( although every dyno claims to simulate load, it can't. So it could be ok ok on the dyno, then 3 pulls on the street, and it knocks, pulls a ton of timing and you ultimately go slow... Sucks that track times are hard to be consistent all the time too... But that's why we race.
If we had not done the proper calibration associated around increasing the boost, I would agree, the computer would limit the boost back. But with how many EcoBoost platforms we support, we know how to control boost
As for spark vs. boost. They are complimentary to each other. They both need adjustments to ensure the best results.
Geez.... Ford really over complicated the crap out of something as simple as boost control, wow....
That's a fair statement, when first developing our EcoBoost SHO tunes, it was a huge undertaking figuring it all out. It's one thing seeing the tables, it's a completely different thing understanding how they work.
Looking at Livernois for Dad's escape since nobody wants to friggin tune EcoBoost Escapes or Fusions
Just another platform we saw great potential in. After driving numerous Escapes with our tune, it's amazing how much better they feel, and how abysmal they are stock.
Livernois has definitely gotten my attention, interested to see what they have in store for us, and other vendors too
the night is "young" guys
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We definitely wanted to get on this platform as soon as time allowed, and now it has
Touching on items in general, There is a lot of safety factor built into these cars that allows us to add some serious power without playing on the side of dangerous. Being Ford states you can use 87 octane (although not preferred, nor recommended) just validates it even further that these have room left in them.
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