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    REVIEW: Ram-Air crossover pipe

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    What's up people.

    Recently I installed a RamAir intake setup on my car, and this morning I added the final piece which was the crossover pipe. I thought I'd post a few pics and thoughts. There are a few other threads on this but I like making an independent review.

    Previously installed were the RamAir panel filter and induction hose. So this review reflects only the crossover pipe.

    PRICE - ****
    $132 shipped, and total of $224 for all 3 pieces (crossover, induction, panel filter). That's pretty good I think compared to other stuff out there. Ron at Whoosh has these for sale, he's a great fellow to buy your stuff from.

    QUALITY - ***
    These guys are making a killing...yes these fit 99% perfectly but the crossover pipe is thinner metal that I expected. Weight savings, right? The quality is significantly less than a CP-E or Cobb intake, both of which I've handled. It's not gonna break or anything, but it wouldn't take much to dent it if it were dropped or used as an anti-zombie weapon or something of that nature.

    FITMENT - ****
    Pretty much perfect....there's plenty of room, everything goes on super easily. The pipe is touching the engine where the rubberized cover is (see pic), I think the stocker did that as well so it's no big deal, though it would be nice if they weren't touching and rubbing and all.

    INSTALL - *****
    From the time I opened my hood to the time I closed it was 55 minutes. Great fitment made install super easy. Of course I've removed the cowl/headlights many times so that cut my time down. But it is pretty simple. Make sure you know what size socket you're using before putting the pipe on, that will save you time. I chose to attach the turbo inlet coupler to the crossover first and then put it onto the inlet and tighten. There isn't much room to work but it's not that bad. Knowing your socket size before reaching down there makes it easier. Other than that, it's all super easy, no issues at all.

    RESULTS - ???
    As you can see from the pics below, where I compare the stocker vs. Ramair, the pipe is wider and has better flow undoubtedly. So in theory more cooling ability and power. Intake air temps did drop about 1-2 degrees compared to before install. I did a datalog before install, in a few days I'll do an "after" log and compare the two and report. According to Jason's intake comparison, the crossover gave the greatest gains of any intake mods, 20tq and 4hp. I'll see how the Vdyno compares to this on my car. Of course we have different setups but still it will be nice to see the results. I will say that the butt dyno felt a bit more torque, but this might be placebo and/or happiness over my newly installed part, you know how that is. Heck though, if it really does add 4hp and 20tq it's totally worth the money. I'll post the results when I get logs after a few days. I take temps and weight and barometric pressure seriously when I V-dyno. But it's still only V-dyno...so there's really no way to prove anything here. But it helps and it's fun.

    SOUND - ****
    Installing the crossover made a minor but nice sound change. There is more intake noise, but it's not the whooshy whishy type - instead it's the lower end bassy side of the intake noise, the rumble. Sort of like you can hear the engine just a bit more, but the growly part of the engine, not the breathing part. If that makes sense.

    OK more datalog results/thoughts to come later, for now here are some pics:







    Hey, check out my build thread!

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    Great review! Any reason for choosing this over the cp-e? I have the lower intake pipe cpe and was looking at their crossover pipe as well.
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    Here is my car with the Mountune MRX turbo, Vdyno runs adjusted daily for temp and barometric pressure with the RAMAIR crossover pipe and Induction hose changes, step by step.

    A bit cooler weather also helped. Only difference besides daily baro and temperature on these three is the change to a Whoosh induction hose along with the RAMAIR crossover pipe and a 2.75" to 3" adapter, allowing a full 2.75"+ intake from the Mountune airbox setup to the turbo. Redline is full 2.75" RAMAIR pipe and whoosh induction hose to Mountune airbox (outlet is 2.75 on airbox near MAF), blue line is just the crossover pipe and 2.75" to 3" adapter with stock induction hose (~2.4" at smallest inside), green line is the OEM turbo inlet pipe and induction hose with the MRX kit 2.5" to 3" adapter at the turbo inlet. As per the pics posted, the stock turbo crossover pipe goes less than 2" in some spots, especially near the turbo inlet. Very restrictive for aftermarket turbos.

    Note the torque is overestimated by a bit of wheel slippage when boost hit, but HP is right on. Very nice gains overall. Had no issues with install or otherwise, great fitment.

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    2016 Fiesta ST w/Recaros

    - Mountune MRX Turbo
    - Whoosh Induction Pipe w/RAMAIR Crossover Pipe
    - cp-E Deltacore FMIC
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    - ATP 3" Downpipe w/Mountune Catback
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    - Tarox 6 Pot 300mm Two Piece Big Brake Kit
    - OZ Ultraleggera 17x7" Wheels w/Eagle F1's
    - Rear Seat Delete and Custom Carpeting
    - Pierce 6pt Lower Chassis Brace
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    Awesome info guys. I just ordered one and will try to get a video of the installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04mazdaspeed View Post
    Great review! Any reason for choosing this over the cp-e? I have the lower intake pipe cpe and was looking at their crossover pipe as well.
    Thanks man glad it helped.

    With all my heart I believe the CP-E is better, providing cooler temps, more air, and therefore more gains. And better MPG; my MPG has suffered since removing it. My reasoning for swapping it out was I was ready for a bit less induction noise. It's not even the CP-E piping that makes the noise, it's the huge (and effective) airbox. The Ramair is super quiet. Not for everyone, but I wanted less noise.

    Quote Originally Posted by SneakyPete View Post
    Here is my car with the Mountune MRX turbo, Vdyno runs adjusted daily for temp and barometric pressure with the RAMAIR crossover pipe and Induction hose changes, step by step......

    Note the torque is overestimated by a bit of wheel slippage when boost hit, but HP is right on. Very nice gains overall. Had no issues with install or otherwise, great fitment.

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    Thanks Pete!

    I'm going to respectfully disagree with your info here - no need to go back and forth on it, but I'll simply say that gains of +11hp for the induction pipe and +16hp for the crossover, as you are reporting, are pretty much not possible. An intake does not add 27hp, no way now or in the next life, not happening on this car. Aside from not being possible, the data conflicts with other data that was taken from real dynos, not virtual. For example, Jason at Dizzy did an intake comparison on real dynos, and yes it was a different car and turbo setup, but even so the numbers are comparable. Honest Jason showed us +0.1hp for the induction pipe and +4.0hp for the crossover. That's more realistic.

    Not saying you (and I) are not getting gains; I love this new setup and that's why I did this review, to show it off and make Ron money. But saying it's going to add 16hp is total misrepresentation. 4hp, that's more reasonable.

    Here's a link to Jason's tests, post #1.
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    Interesting. I hadn't seen the CPE but it seems like it's about a wash, price-wise, vs something like an ST200 Airbox + Crossover + Hose setup, especially if you were getting better results with it (at the expense of noise). Still, these look like great pieces and are still on the shopping list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanRules View Post
    Interesting. I hadn't seen the CPE but it seems like it's about a wash, price-wise, vs something like an ST200 Airbox + Crossover + Hose setup, especially if you were getting better results with it (at the expense of noise). Still, these look like great pieces and are still on the shopping list.
    Good observation. Price wise you'd end up about the same. However, I need to re-iterate that the CP-E is superior. Build quality alone...hold both pieces in your hand, one looks and feels like it was designed and made in China by a machine (Ramair), the other by an engineer with a passion for cars (CP-E). Plus Mitch from CP-E is an A+ guy, I've talked to him.

    Honestly taking off my "grade A" CP-E and replacing it with this "grade C" setup has bothered me a bit. Best example I can give is that I had a part made for an Audi on a Ford, and I removed it and put a part made for a 1998 Hyundai Accent on a Ford. But again, noise was my issue. Not bad noise, just noise I wanted less of so I could hear the rest of the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Good observation. Price wise you'd end up about the same. However, I need to re-iterate that the CP-E is superior. Build quality alone...hold both pieces in your hand, one looks and feels like it was designed and made in China by a machine (Ramair), the other by an engineer with a passion for cars (CP-E). Plus Mitch from CP-E is an A+ guy, I've talked to him.

    Honestly taking off my "grade A" CP-E and replacing it with this "grade C" setup has bothered me a bit. Best example I can give is that I had a part made for an Audi on a Ford, and I removed it and put a part made for a 1998 Hyundai Accent on a Ford. But again, noise was my issue. Not bad noise, just noise I wanted less of so I could hear the rest of the car.
    For sure! I'm more talking to myself since I already have the ST200 airbox and I'm like, "do I want to keep going down this path?" hahaha

    Which I think I do since a lot of the differences seem to be bling (not that bling isn't important) and maybe 1-2hp.

    EDIT: that said, if you want to offload your CP-E in exchange for an ST200...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    What's up people.

    Recently I installed a RamAir intake setup on my car, and this morning I added the final piece which was the crossover pipe. I thought I'd post a few pics and thoughts. There are a few other threads on this but I like making an independent review.

    Previously installed were the RamAir panel filter and induction hose. So this review reflects only the crossover pipe.

    PRICE - ****
    $132 shipped, and total of $224 for all 3 pieces (crossover, induction, panel filter). That's pretty good I think compared to other stuff out there. Ron at Whoosh has these for sale, he's a great fellow to buy your stuff from.

    QUALITY - ***
    These guys are making a killing...yes these fit 99% perfectly but the crossover pipe is thinner metal that I expected. Weight savings, right? The quality is significantly less than a CP-E or Cobb intake, both of which I've handled. It's not gonna break or anything, but it wouldn't take much to dent it if it were dropped or used as an anti-zombie weapon or something of that nature.

    FITMENT - ****
    Pretty much perfect....there's plenty of room, everything goes on super easily. The pipe is touching the engine where the rubberized cover is (see pic), I think the stocker did that as well so it's no big deal, though it would be nice if they weren't touching and rubbing and all.

    INSTALL - *****
    From the time I opened my hood to the time I closed it was 55 minutes. Great fitment made install super easy. Of course I've removed the cowl/headlights many times so that cut my time down. But it is pretty simple. Make sure you know what size socket you're using before putting the pipe on, that will save you time. I chose to attach the turbo inlet coupler to the crossover first and then put it onto the inlet and tighten. There isn't much room to work but it's not that bad. Knowing your socket size before reaching down there makes it easier. Other than that, it's all super easy, no issues at all.

    RESULTS - ???
    As you can see from the pics below, where I compare the stocker vs. Ramair, the pipe is wider and has better flow undoubtedly. So in theory more cooling ability and power. Intake air temps did drop about 1-2 degrees compared to before install. I did a datalog before install, in a few days I'll do an "after" log and compare the two and report. According to Jason's intake comparison, the crossover gave the greatest gains of any intake mods, 20tq and 4hp. I'll see how the Vdyno compares to this on my car. Of course we have different setups but still it will be nice to see the results. I will say that the butt dyno felt a bit more torque, but this might be placebo and/or happiness over my newly installed part, you know how that is. Heck though, if it really does add 4hp and 20tq it's totally worth the money. I'll post the results when I get logs after a few days. I take temps and weight and barometric pressure seriously when I V-dyno. But it's still only V-dyno...so there's really no way to prove anything here. But it helps and it's fun.

    SOUND - ****
    Installing the crossover made a minor but nice sound change. There is more intake noise, but it's not the whooshy whishy type - instead it's the lower end bassy side of the intake noise, the rumble. Sort of like you can hear the engine just a bit more, but the growly part of the engine, not the breathing part. If that makes sense.

    OK more datalog results/thoughts to come later, for now here are some pics:








    Do you think it’s reasonable to got the pipe in without taking the cowl off? Looks like its about 50/50 on the instructions for intake kits that replace the crossover whether the cowl is removed or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmoe View Post
    Do you think it’s reasonable to got the pipe in without taking the cowl off? Looks like its about 50/50 on the instructions for intake kits that replace the crossover whether the cowl is removed or not.
    It's easily doable, I've taken mine on and off numerous times since I had a first-release model that had fitment issues. You'll very likely scratch it up though just a bit if you do it without removing the cowl.

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