I've researched it to death... I've already made some mistakes... But I want it all.... With all due respect to ATP, DHM, and 2J racings big turbo kits, i haven't seen a "big turbo kit" yet that I feel like I would be happy daily driving as far as boost response. Being men ( mostly ), we don't like to compromise. And I'm as hard headed as any other man ( likely more so ). But... With a 1.6L, I don't think I have much choice. Peak power ? DHM has it all. But while there is not an official price on the kit that I know of, I do know its out of my range by about $3000 at least, lol. That's not saying its not totally worth it, simply stating its out of my price range and that 375whp turbo is not personally what I want as regards to boost response or power. I've driven my car with the wastegate wide open (wired open) and its a freaking dog without 5psi lol.
ATP seems like a good option at first. Reasonably affordable. But... Honestly, their SMALLER turbo's disappoint me on both ends. Not really responsive, not making great power either. The larger turbos do make good power, but still fall short of what I think I'd personally want for response. In the end, I'd end up with $3000 in something that I'm not haply with... And yea... Its out of my price range still too, lol.
What do do.... Well... I can buy a stock TD05 off a evo X for $350 that will make 350whp ( on an evo ). But again... Too laggy on a 1.6L.
I think the real issue is the aftermarket turbos. Seems they are not interested in building a supremely optimized turbo for insane powerband for a 1.6L... If they are, I'm not aware of it.
Lets cut to the chase... In a world of unlimited funds, I'd be on the phone with Dynamic racing. They build a turbocharger for the 3000GT/stealth crowd that uses a Titanium turbine wheel/shaft in a TD04HL mistu turbo. That motor is 1.5L x 2. And these turbos have awesome response and make 600-650 all-wheel horsepower on some pretty big ( all be it weak ) running gear. Google DR650 with dynamic racing.
Ok... We ( at least I ) don't live in that world. Dynamic had those turbine wheels/shafts made one-off custom and no doubt pay'd dearly for it. From what I hear, they won't sell you one turbo or just the turbine shaft. So even if you were crazy enough to pay $300-$600 for a single turbine shaft, its not an option.
But.... The rest of the td04 line of turbo definitely is an option. Here is the basics. Srt4 caliber came stock with a td04 turbo and 300hp. The srt4 neon can make 300whp on a stock turbo, yep, td04. Hyundi sonata ? 274hp stock. Yep... TD04 turbo.
Td04 turbos have some options. Here are the main two I was focusing on.
A) WRX td04L-13T. Its the second smallest turbine wheel of the td04 family and it was instant boost on my low compression 1.6L civic. Even after a larger compressor wheel was added and a turbine wheel clip, spool up WAS NOT A ISSUE. Our higher compression ratio and insanely advanced ECU mean this turbo would act pretty similar to our stock turbo on a factory tune.
This is how they stack up in some ways...
Fiesta ST turbine shaft vs td04L turbine
Same
Wrx 6cm turbine housing vs fist
Volvo 7cm angled td04L turbine housing.
Fist compressor wheel vs tiny stock wrx 13T compressor wheel
Fist comp wheel in a tiny stock wrx comp housing (wrx wheel is the larger one)
Fist turbine wheel in a wrx L 6cm turbine housing
Pretty scary... The td04L-13T is a baby turbo.
ATP seems like a good option at first. Reasonably affordable. But... Honestly, their SMALLER turbo's disappoint me on both ends. Not really responsive, not making great power either. The larger turbos do make good power, but still fall short of what I think I'd personally want for response. In the end, I'd end up with $3000 in something that I'm not haply with... And yea... Its out of my price range still too, lol.
What do do.... Well... I can buy a stock TD05 off a evo X for $350 that will make 350whp ( on an evo ). But again... Too laggy on a 1.6L.
I think the real issue is the aftermarket turbos. Seems they are not interested in building a supremely optimized turbo for insane powerband for a 1.6L... If they are, I'm not aware of it.
Lets cut to the chase... In a world of unlimited funds, I'd be on the phone with Dynamic racing. They build a turbocharger for the 3000GT/stealth crowd that uses a Titanium turbine wheel/shaft in a TD04HL mistu turbo. That motor is 1.5L x 2. And these turbos have awesome response and make 600-650 all-wheel horsepower on some pretty big ( all be it weak ) running gear. Google DR650 with dynamic racing.
Ok... We ( at least I ) don't live in that world. Dynamic had those turbine wheels/shafts made one-off custom and no doubt pay'd dearly for it. From what I hear, they won't sell you one turbo or just the turbine shaft. So even if you were crazy enough to pay $300-$600 for a single turbine shaft, its not an option.
But.... The rest of the td04 line of turbo definitely is an option. Here is the basics. Srt4 caliber came stock with a td04 turbo and 300hp. The srt4 neon can make 300whp on a stock turbo, yep, td04. Hyundi sonata ? 274hp stock. Yep... TD04 turbo.
Td04 turbos have some options. Here are the main two I was focusing on.
A) WRX td04L-13T. Its the second smallest turbine wheel of the td04 family and it was instant boost on my low compression 1.6L civic. Even after a larger compressor wheel was added and a turbine wheel clip, spool up WAS NOT A ISSUE. Our higher compression ratio and insanely advanced ECU mean this turbo would act pretty similar to our stock turbo on a factory tune.
This is how they stack up in some ways...
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/00ff7e95686a83c55d4323bf7c4f108d.jpg)
Fiesta ST turbine shaft vs td04L turbine
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/669327be1d8ea95bae5e184125a4697c.jpg)
Same
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/89a851f61931804e482d12ae76116b4c.jpg)
Wrx 6cm turbine housing vs fist
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/61e10f20fb7f498f00b400944f76ac97.jpg)
Volvo 7cm angled td04L turbine housing.
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/a5f1b194d5f0701bbd44f08512f6777a.jpg)
Fist compressor wheel vs tiny stock wrx 13T compressor wheel
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/487478f62ea37a47a1373cc21d781b9b.jpg)
Fist comp wheel in a tiny stock wrx comp housing (wrx wheel is the larger one)
![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/29/459e94bd329ce18bd05d2b5f574b7bee.jpg)
Fist turbine wheel in a wrx L 6cm turbine housing
Pretty scary... The td04L-13T is a baby turbo.