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Exterior appearance: Sleeper vs. Rally look
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Everybody calls it a wing; arguing the semantics is a bit pedantic. Just like everyone that freaks out over requiring the use of the terms 'roll resistor' or 'wheels', it is pretty lame to quibble over such nonsense. The parts are called 'wing risers', not 'spoiler risers that upset the costly wind tunnel effort Ford put into design'.
A wing and a spoiler are completely different in design and function. Putting parts under a spoiler and calling it a wing are quite misleading as rising a wing up into cleaner air makes it more effective, when done right of course. Pushing a spoiler up and letting air under it can make the car unstable at speed which could lead to a catastrophic result
The company that makes those parts is not doing less informed individuals a great service, the same company makes many fine parts and could make many more, I hope they do.
It seems many do not know the difference between an engine and a motor but in that case it does not generally create a potential safety hazard so I tend to not say much about it.
The company that makes those parts is not doing less informed individuals a great service, the same company makes many fine parts and could make many more, I hope they do.
It seems many do not know the difference between an engine and a motor but in that case it does not generally create a potential safety hazard so I tend to not say much about it.
The car does not even have a wing, it has a spoiler and this part highly likely upsets the costly wind tunnel effort Ford put into designing what the car came with stock
That is my point, it will undermine stability to some degree
At least if a yarn test was done it could show the effects to a certain degree and it does make sense that it would stall the air and cause lift.
It would be nice if the manufacturer actually did some basic testing before offering such parts for sale.
The car was designed with a rather loose rear end to make it more fun, at very high speeds taking away more grip could end up if not causing at least contributing to lose of control and a very serious crash.
It is not to likely we will ever see a crash attributed to the risers due to the fact it will not be looked at that way, only in hard core racing does such analysis of crashes take place. Public road crashes at higher speeds are nearly always just noted as being due to excessive speed, lose of control, etc, accident investigators are not even trained to look much beyond that and maybe a blown tire.
Most drivers are not going to push their car to that level and most should not be doing so unless on a track and have some real experience but we have in our midst some that have not shown enough self restraint and tragic results followed, it could happen at lower velocities due to less rear grip using such a mod.
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My posts are about a specific part, not the overall company product line as they build many excellent parts, this one they got a bit off course on unfortunately and they are not the only ones making parts that destabilize the rear of the car aerodynamically.
I have discussed these maters with somebody that knows more about this subject than all of us combined on this forum, it is a real issue that might only come into play on certain and rare occasions but those are the occasions where life can be on the line.
At least if a yarn test was done it could show the effects to a certain degree and it does make sense that it would stall the air and cause lift.
It would be nice if the manufacturer actually did some basic testing before offering such parts for sale.
The car was designed with a rather loose rear end to make it more fun, at very high speeds taking away more grip could end up if not causing at least contributing to lose of control and a very serious crash.
It is not to likely we will ever see a crash attributed to the risers due to the fact it will not be looked at that way, only in hard core racing does such analysis of crashes take place. Public road crashes at higher speeds are nearly always just noted as being due to excessive speed, lose of control, etc, accident investigators are not even trained to look much beyond that and maybe a blown tire.
Most drivers are not going to push their car to that level and most should not be doing so unless on a track and have some real experience but we have in our midst some that have not shown enough self restraint and tragic results followed, it could happen at lower velocities due to less rear grip using such a mod.
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My posts are about a specific part, not the overall company product line as they build many excellent parts, this one they got a bit off course on unfortunately and they are not the only ones making parts that destabilize the rear of the car aerodynamically.
I have discussed these maters with somebody that knows more about this subject than all of us combined on this forum, it is a real issue that might only come into play on certain and rare occasions but those are the occasions where life can be on the line.
That is my point, it will undermine stability to some degree
At least if a yarn test was done it could show the effects to a certain degree and it does make sense that it would stall the air and cause lift.
It would be nice if the manufacturer actually did some basic testing before offering such parts for sale.
The car was designed with a rather loose rear end to make it more fun, at very high speeds taking away more grip could end up if not causing at least contributing to lose of control and a very serious crash.
It is not to likely we will ever see a crash attributed to the risers due to the fact it will not be looked at that way, only in hard core racing does such analysis of crashes take place. Public road crashes at higher speeds are nearly always just noted as being due to excessive speed, lose of control, etc, accident investigators are not even trained to look much beyond that and maybe a blown tire.
Most drivers are not going to push their car to that level and most should not be doing so unless on a track and have some real experience but we have in our midst some that have not shown enough self restraint and tragic results followed, it could happen at lower velocities due to less rear grip using such a mod.
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My posts are about a specific part, not the overall company product line as they build many excellent parts, this one they got a bit off course on unfortunately and they are not the only ones making parts that destabilize the rear of the car aerodynamically.
I have discussed these maters with somebody that knows more about this subject than all of us combined on this forum, it is a real issue that might only come into play on certain and rare occasions but those are the occasions where life can be on the line.
At least if a yarn test was done it could show the effects to a certain degree and it does make sense that it would stall the air and cause lift.
It would be nice if the manufacturer actually did some basic testing before offering such parts for sale.
The car was designed with a rather loose rear end to make it more fun, at very high speeds taking away more grip could end up if not causing at least contributing to lose of control and a very serious crash.
It is not to likely we will ever see a crash attributed to the risers due to the fact it will not be looked at that way, only in hard core racing does such analysis of crashes take place. Public road crashes at higher speeds are nearly always just noted as being due to excessive speed, lose of control, etc, accident investigators are not even trained to look much beyond that and maybe a blown tire.
Most drivers are not going to push their car to that level and most should not be doing so unless on a track and have some real experience but we have in our midst some that have not shown enough self restraint and tragic results followed, it could happen at lower velocities due to less rear grip using such a mod.
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My posts are about a specific part, not the overall company product line as they build many excellent parts, this one they got a bit off course on unfortunately and they are not the only ones making parts that destabilize the rear of the car aerodynamically.
I have discussed these maters with somebody that knows more about this subject than all of us combined on this forum, it is a real issue that might only come into play on certain and rare occasions but those are the occasions where life can be on the line.
Let people like whatever they like, it's their money and their car.
Yeah, I haven't been on the forum much lately, too much life going on.
You're passionate about your car and mods and I can respect that. I, personally, would rather just support the car community as a whole. People do things that I don't like or I think is dumb, but our community is small enough that the constant criticism doesn't really help. People grow into and out of 'stages' of what they do/don't like, I just wish that people would embrace the culture more as a whole than just their own individual preferences.
Whether someone does something that could ultimately affect safety is their choice but, realistically speaking, there is a much larger chance that any accident will be caused by driver error than any one mod, cosmetic or because racecar, can cause without an individual being behind the wheel.
You're passionate about your car and mods and I can respect that. I, personally, would rather just support the car community as a whole. People do things that I don't like or I think is dumb, but our community is small enough that the constant criticism doesn't really help. People grow into and out of 'stages' of what they do/don't like, I just wish that people would embrace the culture more as a whole than just their own individual preferences.
Whether someone does something that could ultimately affect safety is their choice but, realistically speaking, there is a much larger chance that any accident will be caused by driver error than any one mod, cosmetic or because racecar, can cause without an individual being behind the wheel.
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