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I would almost think that the tube sucking flat would indicate more of an issue with the filter/airbox than anything else. There tube itself should never have enough vacuum on it to collapse, assuming it can draw enough volume.

My thoughts also...with having a high flow air filter....you'd figure less turbulent air resistance now if you put a beach ball over the end and drove it I could see it collapsing. Like I said go pro video soon to come as soon as I get off my 26 hour bender of working straight with no sleep....I'm on autopilot right now at my other job. I've been talking like ace ventura twords customers....my co workers can't stop laughing. I tell every customer Dick hair...bye bye now on the way out.
 


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My thoughts also...with having a high flow air filter....you'd figure less turbulent air resistance now if you put a beach ball over the end and drove it I'd could see it collapsing. Like I said go pro video soon to come as soon as I get off my 26 hour bender of working straight with no sleep....I'm on autopilot right now at my other job. I've been talking like ace ventura twords customers....my co workers can't stop laughing. I tell every customer Dick hair...bye bye now on the way out.
Actually they can suck shut. I would see it frequently when I was still working in the Volvo world. The older 240 and 740 turbo intake hoses would collapse on themselves. Granted these were also old and oily, but it can happen.
 


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I'll wait patiently for the underhood video...

I'm also using the RamAir Filter right now.
 


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Just found out my faja had the go pro and just got it tonight....video is coming .....don't get your panties in a bundle.....sheesh...
 


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I'm trying to now figure out how to drive it....illuminate the area and attach the go pro....coming real soon. Possibly tomorrow. ...most likely friday though. I love the meme! Haha nice!
 


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While I don't have any working knowledge of either of these products, I can say that there is a lot more to the products than just what they look like in pictures. Material quality is a big one that I can see greatly changing the performance and cost. A low cost material can break down quickly based on heat. Depending on the mixture in the polymer, heat causes plasticizer to be released from the structure. The plasticizer is what keeps polymers pliable. Once they become brittle after a number of hot/cold cycles, the material begins to break down. Your turbo could easily start ingesting broken pieces of intake. Add in crankcase vapor and the process could easily be accelerated. The material thickness can also aid in insulation from under hood radiant heat. A lower grade material will conduct more heat to the induction air stream. There is also developmental, marketing, labor, quality checks, and a lot of other costs that need to be accounted for when releasing a product. Company A could spend a year in development to build the best engineered product. Company B simply 3D scans the competitor's part and finds the lowest cost producer. They don't have any developmental costs to cover or marketing. They just use low price as bait. I have run into this for years in the commercial vehicle market. I have even tested knock-offs of the products I had engineered to see what the competition got right and wrong. It was mostly wrong and really wrong. Products looked the same and even had the same colored box, but they did not perform the same. There is a lot more to a product that what you see in a picture.

I have seen a cheap induction tube go flat, but can't remember what car I saw that on. I am pretty sure it was a Fox Mustang with a cheap intake system and was at the local dealership with engine problems. The tech would rev the engine and the tube went flat. That was the first time I had ever seen that happen. My brother had an '88 Escort GT with a factory rubber tube between the throttle body and air filter. While that one did not get sucked flat, it surely collapsed on itself under throttle.
 


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^^^THIS is why I just do not 'get' the whole silicone hose thing for THIS part/function AT ALL? [???:)]

Am I missing something here as to WHY these are not made out of a NON collapsible, (and NOT heat soaking) thermoplastic composite material, just bigger, and smoother flowing than the factory stocker? [dunno]
 


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I am trying to figure out where I can clamp the go pro under the hood.....illuminate it at the same time and drive with the hood closed. I may have to remove the whole hood. Results coming I'll try something I have in mind when I get home today. Then I'll try to figure out how to post the gopro video. Patience is a virtue people come on ![rockon]
 


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Dyno with the hood open would supply you with light and engine load. The times I have seen the intake tube collapse, the car was parked with the hood open and the engine revved without load. That was enough to do it.
 


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Well ...got the hood off...started up the car ...go pro in place with the flexible clamp. Gopro no go...f $*king dead battery. At least I know how to align the hood and take all that shit off. Just charging go pro now....I'm thinking either tomorrow or weds.
 


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We are seriously running out of things to bicker about lol! I have the Ramair, zero issues what so ever and the shipping is fast as hell coming from England.
 


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[rofl]

[video=youtube;YdJtOecMrpA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdJtOecMrpA[/video]

Just on the off chance of that ever happening to one of 'our' (yes, even well reinforced) silicone intake hoses under full boost vacuum acting on them, I will avoid them like the plague! [ohcrap]

Granted, Spectre has a lousy, cheap China made only shit rep, and that was probably a plain non-reinforced rubber connector elbow, but still, not worth the chance to me. [wink]
 




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