Ford Announces Halting of All EV Production moving to Hybrids!

[Dpro]

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/ford-halts-shipments-of-popular-ev-over-quality-casts-uncertainty#:~:text=Ford said it had halted,powered versions of the truck.

This came across this afternoon. Expect other car companies to follow suit . Toyota called this.

 

[ogminlo]

How about returning to making cars for the US market?

 

[Ford SVT & ST]

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/ford-halts-shipments-of-popular-ev-over-quality-casts-uncertainty#:~:text=Ford said it had halted,powered versions of the truck.

This came across this afternoon. Expect other car companies to follow suit . Toyota called this.

I will take one a Hybrid ST with 2 TURBOS and Wider Track to put some serious rubber to handle Twin Turbo Hybrid power! Maybe an all wheel drive Twin Turbo version for CHASING DOWN Raptors !!!

 

[gtx3076]

I rented a plug-in hybrid Jeep Grand Cherokee 4XE for 2 months. I launched it a few times, and I don't recall the tires ever slipping I think it hits 60 under 6 seconds, not bad.

The ICE was loud, and maybe that was intentional so you knew which motor your were driving on, and I was not impressed with the battery life, I think the most I could squeeze out of it was about 27-30 miles if it was charged 100%. I don't like brake regen, it makes the gas pedal feel like an on/off switch, where as soon as you let off the car is braking very aggressively.

We've been considering the hybrid Toyota Sienna for a while now.

 

[akiraproject24]

I have been arguing this at work among my normie friends who keep fear mongering that EV is taking over whether we like it or not. I keep telling them that unless they get the battery tech and infrastructure vastly improved its gonna fall flat on its face. Also the silver, copper and other commodity markets will not be able to support the artificially low prices with the huge demand. Not to mention Africa and parts of the middle east are shutting down the slave mines and kicking the western empire out.

Toyota, Honda and I think Yamaha are getting pretty rowdy with Hydrogen tech. Even BMW with a hydrogen based aircraft.

Supposedly Mazda is working on a plasma technology engine that once the process is initiated using standard ICE operates on a near zero loss process that produces breathable air at the tailpipe. Listen to the Plasma technology section, this is a long interview. But this tech is discussed in it at length.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npy-tQI3jgo

 

[dhminer]

Toyota smarter than the American brands, big surprise.

 

[Intuit]

I have a better technology called cold fusion, but 100% safe as there's no risk of a runaway reaction. "Believe me." I respect and ally myself with Ken Lay and Sam Bankman-Fried...

If one wants credibility, one should avoid aligning themselves with well known scam artists.

 

[Intuit]

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/ford-halts-shipments-of-popular-ev-over-quality-casts-uncertainty#:~:text=Ford said it had halted,powered versions of the truck.

This came across this afternoon. Expect other car companies to follow suit . Toyota called this.

Not surprising. Range anxiety is real. The five minute fuel up on literally every other corner and often multiple choices at that corner, is too much of a convenience to trade in. My Brother works the sides of the highways and a significant number of his assists, involve people running out of gas. Fortunately he can quickly move them along. Without the hot-swappable battery option that I've brought up prior, it will be some more time yet before wide(r) adoption will occur.

 

[Dpro]

Guys chill on the political joke comments seriously no matter how funny they are. You are going way farther than I did in another thread and stuff just got deleted right left and center just a fair warning mods don’t go lightly.

 

[Intuit]

Guys chill on the political joke comments seriously no matter how funny they are. You are going way farther than I did in another thread and stuff just got deleted right left and center just a fair warning mods don’t go lightly.

Yup. Report them... de-trash your thread.

 

[M-Sport fan]

I guess the overwhelming compulsion to air one's 'worldviews' is just too great for some to resist?

 

[LilPartyBox]

Stay on taaarget

 

[dhminer]

😂

 

[akiraproject24]

I guess the overwhelming compulsion to air one's 'worldviews' is just too great for some to resist?

I just dont like punk ass beta's that could have kept their TDS to themselves. Regardless I cleaned up my response to more accurately abide by the rules.

 

[gtx3076]

I just dont like punk ass beta's that could have kept their TDS to themselves. Regardless I cleaned up my response to more accurately abide by the rules.

Was just a joke, Bro.

 

[Intuit]

Time to get some Barney action going here... everyone sing with me...

Not surprising. Range anxiety is real. The five minute fuel up on literally every other corner and often multiple choices at that corner, is too much of a convenience to trade in. My Brother works the sides of the highways and a significant number of his assists, involve people running out of gas. Fortunately he can quickly move them along. Without the hot-swappable battery option that I've brought up prior, it will be some more time yet before wide(r) adoption will occur.

One thing I will add to that comment, I LOVE the new tech. It's quiet, unbelievable amounts of instantaneous torque and wwwaaayyyy less moving parts and maintenance. The convenience aspect of fueling is its only hangup. I hope we'll see wide(r) adoption sooner rather than later.

The main reason this tech is being pushed so hard, is fear of being totally dependent on other nations and largely absent from yet another technological industry. The benefits of being on top of this spider out to a myriad of other industries that are unlike many other products.

Bottom line, if we want to be more relevant in future tech, we need to be on the forefront of its adoption... not on the heels.

I feel like a lot of people are actively rooting against this, without seeing that aspect of the bigger picture.

 

[Mega ST]

...... I don't like brake regen, it makes the gas pedal feel like an on/off switch, where as soon as you let off the car is braking very aggressively.

We've been considering the hybrid Toyota Sienna for a while now.

Toyota hybrids don't regenerate aggressively just because you release the gas pedal. It feels like you are coasting until you hit the brake. In Tesla EVs you can change the Regen so you have a more natural coast down and not the aggressive throttle off regen.

I'll take a Turbo Hybrid Fiesta as well, if they could keep the weight under 3K. Toyota's 2.4l Turbo Hybrid has some great potential.

 

[Dpro]

One thing I will add to that comment, I LOVE the new tech. It's quiet, unbelievable amounts of instantaneous torque and wwwaaayyyy less moving parts and maintenance. The convenience aspect of fueling is its only hangup. I hope we'll see wide(r) adoption sooner rather than later.

The main reason this tech is being pushed so hard, is fear of being totally dependent on other nations and largely absent from yet another technological industry. The benefits of being on top of this spider out to a myriad of other industries that are unlike many other products.

Bottom line, if we want to be more relevant in future tech, we need to be on the forefront of its adoption... not on the heels.

I feel like a lot of people are actively rooting against this, without seeing that aspect of the bigger picture.

I think the tech is interesting and yes there are aspects that are quite cool. The problem I have is the timeline certain people want us to have on it is not currently plausible . That is where Hybrids make the wiser choice for now. I agree about the less moving parts but there is big a problem with battery size and weight EV’s are big and heavy due to the size of the current battery tech.

They also need to move to solid state batteries as lithium and expensive metal based batteries are cost ineffective as well. Then there is the charge time and infrastructure buildout both of which need to be addressed.Great idea but not the answer currently in the short term, which is critical and the public is speaking loudly about that as well. EV sales are falling not rising because the public sees these issues and does not like these issues.

 

[gtx3076]

Toyota hybrids don't regenerate aggressively just because you release the gas pedal. It feels like you are coasting until you hit the brake. In Tesla EVs you can change the Regen so you have a more natural coast down and not the aggressive throttle off regen.

I'll take a Turbo Hybrid Fiesta as well, if they could keep the weight under 3K. Toyota's 2.4l Turbo Hybrid has some great potential.

There was a button on the dash of the 4XE that made it easy to turn Regen off and it would coast like any other car. If I bought a plug in hybrid I would make sure to have a means to recharge it, because 27 miles is plenty if you’re driving around town, and it would activate both motors depending on how hard you pressed the throttle. Since it was a rental I used a lot more gas because I couldn’t always charge it, and was getting around 18mpg on the overworked 4 cylinder.

 

[Intuit]

Re regenerative braking, what do y'all think about the one-pedal operation? Seems like this may translate into more accidental braking / rear-enders... which is of particular concern being a motorcycle rider... and eight months later on the bicycle LoL... https://www.r6-forum.com/threads/4-000lbs-vs-400lbs.452136/

I think the tech is interesting and yes there are aspects that are quite cool. The problem I have is the timeline certain people want us to have on it is not currently plausible . That is where Hybrids make the wiser choice for now. I agree about the less moving parts but there is big a problem with battery size and weight EV’s are big and heavy due to the size of the current battery tech.

They also need to move to solid state batteries as lithium and expensive metal based batteries are cost ineffective as well. Then there is the charge time and infrastructure buildout both of which need to be addressed great idea but not the answer currently in the short term which is critical and the public is speaking loudly about that as well EV sales are falling not rising because the public sees these issues and does not like these issues.

Yeah the materials sourcing, recycling and necessary improvements for storage, charging, power distribution, etc, etcetera has been discussed. There are so many improvements on the horizon. There should always be breakthroughs and improvements on the horizon. We're still seeing progress and improvement with ICE for that matter. There will undoubtedly be relative examples of the Betamax and MiniDisc (as well as tech-scam cases) in this ongoing battle for tech progress & supremacy. Just the natural process of vetting.

But I believe the need for additional improvement isn't what's holding up adoption right now as much the convenience aspect. Infrastructure in all its forms will begin to catch up as the demand translates to profit potential.

Taking us in a different direction...

Are these plugin hybrids that they're focusing on or will they not plug in at all or do we/they really know yet? Many choices, many directions to go in there. Plugins are optimal for those who live in a house with personal parking spots. A massive portion of the population resides in areas with shared parking. Re hybrid, my personal preference right now would be Series Hybrids. However I'm not fully versed on the drawbacks of that approach where the gasoline engine is nothing but a generator for everything else.