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GM unveils new "C8" Corvette

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It's a completely different car than the mustang. It's also the most basic model they will have higher performance versions definitely not a weak engine. It's bulletproof. A mid-engine V8 car under $100,000 it's going to sell. Would I buy one no, because I refuse to spend more than $30,000 on a vehicle. If you gave me one would I keep it hell yeah. 0 to 60 times are irrelevant it's not 1955 I don't care. I have seen plenty of supercharged coyote mustangs destroy transmissions, and drive shafts left and right. They simply don't have a drivetrain strong enough to deal with the increase in power. A warranty is only going to do you so good eventually it's going to run out. When I see a mustang I'm just like okay. When the last generation stingray Corvette came out it was like my God that thing is gorgeous unbelievable attractive car.


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Sad to me....Ugly as funk with the usual Vette Bertha Big Butt GM styling, a weak engine and claims of 0-60 under 4 seconds with the Z51 means the stock $60K Vette will barely beat a stock Mustang GT. And the 710HP factory warranted GT at $50K will eat it's lunch. My wifes new GT/CS luxo Mustang will be less than a second slower to 60! This is the best GM can do? Lets see......the Camaro is finally being killed as even the Challenger outsells it and drivers prefer the Mustang plus it cannot be sold in the EU. GM can only get 1.3 HP per CI out of this LS engine.......really? If this LS 378 CI engine was built to the same level as the Coyote if would put out 576HP not 490. Hell my ST Mountune gets 2.25 and the Mustang Coyote is 1.5! So, ugly, slow and hideous interior designed by a 17 year old "ricer". I'll pass as will many others that are not GM fans. Wonder if they will even try to sell it in the EU?
I believe they said the 0-60 would be sub 3secs with the Z51 rather than sub 4secs.
 


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I believe they said the 0-60 would be sub 3secs with the Z51 rather than sub 4secs.
"The first gear will be essentially just for launches, which helps explain the C8’s bonkers 2.95-second 0-60"
I would love to see a mustang do that on Street tires yep not going to happen. This car is on a completely different level.
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vi...19/2020-mid-engine-corvette-c8-supercar-debut

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It's a completely different car than the mustang. It's also the most basic model they will have higher performance versions definitely not a weak engine. It's bulletproof. A mid-engine V8 car under $100,000 it's going to sell. Would I buy one no, because I refuse to spend more than $30,000 on a vehicle. If you gave me one would I keep it hell yeah. 0 to 60 times are irrelevant it's not 1955 I don't care. I have seen plenty of supercharged coyote mustangs destroy transmissions, and drive shafts left and right. They simply don't have a drivetrain strong enough to deal with the increase in power. A warranty is only going to do you so good eventually it's going to run out. When I see a mustang I'm just like okay. When the last generation stingray Corvette came out it was like my God that thing is gorgeous unbelievable attractive car.


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I understand all you said.....it is not me touting the 0-60 times, it is GM. And many are trying to translate that into a $50K, fast, mid engine Vette. The truth is the will start "under $60K" per GM.....so that is probably $59,995 plus the Z51 which the price has not been announced. I don't drag race cars, I have always been a road driver. Our new Mustang ran like a bat out of hell and handled as good as my FiST with excellent brakes. As to the drive train handling the 710 HP the magazine articles I have read is about rear ends destroyed with big slicks at the track and also applied to the MOPARS. It is foolish to put big, heavy, sticky tires on either car without upgrading the rear ends. The GT 500 will be a 5.2L Voodoo with supercharger and in the 760 HP range, nothing about the rear ends yet but I would bet it will be the currently optional Torsen 3.73 which is NOT suggested for drag racing. "While it is ideal for street use, autocrossing, and road racing, the Torsen differential is not recommended for drag strip use."
Street tires break loose and do not stress the rear ends. 460 HP is more than enough for us. But like my Mountune MP215 the supercharger upgrade is warranted even when not installed by Ford, and the Ford extended warranty also includes the mod. If one wants it. I would have zero reservations hooning a GT500 on street tire with 710HP and not worry about it "taking it". I also would not buy a first year car especially as this Vette was recalled before ever being delivered for wiring harness replacement. I don't like the current Ford GT styling either but would kill for a GT40!
 


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I understand all you said.....it is not me touting the 0-60 times, it is GM. And many are trying to translate that into a $50K, fast, mid engine Vette. The truth is the will start "under $60K" per GM.....so that is probably $59,995 plus the Z51 which the price has not been announced. I don't drag race cars, I have always been a road driver. Our new Mustang ran like a bat out of hell and handled as good as my FiST with excellent brakes. As to the drive train handling the 710 HP the magazine articles I have read is about rear ends destroyed with big slicks at the track and also applied to the MOPARS. It is foolish to put big, heavy, sticky tires on either car without upgrading the rear ends. The GT 500 will be a 5.2L Voodoo with supercharger and in the 760 HP range, nothing about the rear ends yet but I would bet it will be the currently optional Torsen 3.73 which is NOT suggested for drag racing. "While it is ideal for street use, autocrossing, and road racing, the Torsen differential is not recommended for drag strip use."
Street tires break loose and do not stress the rear ends. 460 HP is more than enough for us. But like my Mountune MP215 the supercharger upgrade is warranted even when not installed by Ford, and the Ford extended warranty also includes the mod. If one wants it. I would have zero reservations hooning a GT500 on street tire with 710HP and not worry about it "taking it". I also would not buy a first year car especially as this Vette was recalled before ever being delivered for wiring harness replacement. I don't like the current Ford GT styling either but would kill for a GT40!
A GT40 would be amazing but it's only a rich man's dream.

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"The first gear will be essentially just for launches, which helps explain the C8’s bonkers 2.95-second 0-60"
I would love to see a mustang do that on Street tires yep not going to happen. This car is on a completely different level.
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vi...19/2020-mid-engine-corvette-c8-supercar-debut

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You are correct...it is 3's. I had sub 4's on my brain for the Coyote. Wanna bet the GT500 will be close? If a stock Coyote can do 3.99 on A/S street radials I don't think the 755 HP GT 500 will not give it a run. In January Ford claimed a sub 3.5 for it but no test results yet. And yes one is a sports car and one a sporty car. And I have no doubts with enough money it will do sub 3's....but not for $50K was my point. At what cost? We don't know yet. I see early cars optioned out and a dealer mark-up for the GM fans to get one at what $70-80K? Just not my cup of tea and especially with a weak push rod engine. I do love LS engines, cheap power...my son makes a good living rebuilding them!
 


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I understand all you said.....it is not me touting the 0-60 times, it is GM. And many are trying to translate that into a $50K, fast, mid engine Vette. The truth is the will start "under $60K" per GM.....so that is probably $59,995 plus the Z51 which the price has not been announced. I don't drag race cars, I have always been a road driver. Our new Mustang ran like a bat out of hell and handled as good as my FiST with excellent brakes. As to the drive train handling the 710 HP the magazine articles I have read is about rear ends destroyed with big slicks at the track and also applied to the MOPARS. It is foolish to put big, heavy, sticky tires on either car without upgrading the rear ends. The GT 500 will be a 5.2L Voodoo with supercharger and in the 760 HP range, nothing about the rear ends yet but I would bet it will be the currently optional Torsen 3.73 which is NOT suggested for drag racing. "While it is ideal for street use, autocrossing, and road racing, the Torsen differential is not recommended for drag strip use."
Street tires break loose and do not stress the rear ends. 460 HP is more than enough for us. But like my Mountune MP215 the supercharger upgrade is warranted even when not installed by Ford, and the Ford extended warranty also includes the mod. If one wants it. I would have zero reservations hooning a GT500 on street tire with 710HP and not worry about it "taking it". I also would not buy a first year car especially as this Vette was recalled before ever being delivered for wiring harness replacement. I don't like the current Ford GT styling either but would kill for a GT40!
I guess we all like different flavors, but I actually like the styling of the Ford GT. It’s the sound it makes (I’ve heard one)and the price (unaffordable) that lets me down. By the way I’m not a old timer, but my favorite corvette design is the C6 Z06. I like the understated look.


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I love the styling all save for the rear of it, dunno, it just looks like it's a bit too squished. I get them not putting a manual in it, but that'd be really neat if they did.

Boomers getting genuinely upset over the styling of this thing has probably been my favorite things to read about it. If they weren't pissed enough about the C7, this just made them madder. Sweet delicious tears.
 


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I was wondering why the blimp hangars at El Toro were covered in corvette banners. I put on my best "I'm supposed to be here" face and tried to drive in through the open gate but the police guarding it told me to bail. When I asked, "Is it awesome" the cop got a huge grin and said, "I don't know what you're talking about sir, have a good day". Turns out the Thursday launch they were shooting footage inside the hangars or something.


On a side note, anyone that knows the blimp hangars at El Toro - they're pretty cool! They are so big inside they form their own weather patterns - a friend of mine said some students at UCI get permission to go to the hangars for scienc-ey stuff. I've always wanted to go inside - it would be an amazing place for an autocross :p there's plenty of space.
 


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I love the styling all save for the rear of it, dunno, it just looks like it's a bit too squished. I get them not putting a manual in it, but that'd be really neat if they did.

Boomers getting genuinely upset over the styling of this thing has probably been my favorite things to read about it. If they weren't pissed enough about the C7, this just made them madder. Sweet delicious tears.
At some point you have to leave the old demographic behind. Porsche still spends a bajillionty engineering around the 911's rear weight bias. The Cayman is the better-driving car, it handles great, they don't have to engineer their way around the handling characteristics of a rear-engined car, its cheaper. Kinda a bummer, but the core audience will simply pay more for a 911 than a mid-engined cayman.

All this being said, I'd still kill for a 60's vette (but the way I drive muscle I don't want a real one, I'd rather a replica so I can flog it guilt-free). Also, don't hate me, but I love the sting-ray generation of vettes and the lines of the late 70's early 80's awful ones. The corvette in the below video has to be one of my all-time favorites.


On the topic of wanting replicas - I've been waiting years for the perfect Pantera to come up but I don't think I'll ever find exactly what I want (pre-smog but with the later model GTS ground effects and spoiler) so I have also been thinking about a factory-five cobra replica. I don't want a real cobra, flogging one would be a crime, but if I build a replica I'd be totally fine daily-ing it (when it rains, wear a helmet, wimps!). I think it would be amazing to build a cobra with some sort of really "wrong" drivetrain, like a buick grand national turbo 6 and trans, or an RB26DETT or something along those lines :p
 


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It's cool but I want to have nice retirement, and not spend the rest of my life working so I'll pass. I would lose my license from it anyway so what's the point.


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That was my line of thinking when I was new car shopping. I had a pretty decent budget and did a mustang GT test drive, but I came away thinking "this is WAY too easy to drive WAY too fast. Either I waste 400hp by commuting, or I lose my license and car by *not* wasting the 400hp.
 


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I think the new Vette is ugly as hell...and my E85 tuned A10 '18 GT makes the same power, looks nicer and I have 20k less in it...throw a Whipple on my set up and its a Vette/Hellcat killer...anyone who'd spend 70k for a new Vette must have a small penis or way too much money.
 


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I love the styling all save for the rear of it, dunno, it just looks like it's a bit too squished. I get them not putting a manual in it, but that'd be really neat if they did.

Boomers getting genuinely upset over the styling of this thing has probably been my favorite things to read about it. If they weren't pissed enough about the C7, this just made them madder. Sweet delicious tears.
I am one boomer who is not the least mad about an ugly car using an outdated engine I would not buy.....Vette lovers abound that like the big butt styling and could care less about the engine technology. I have never bought a car of any brand that I did not like the styling, I will not drive a car that does not please me or suit my driving style. The new Vette defines what I don't want in a new car. If it suits you buy one by all means, a person should drive what pleases them. I also don't like the current generation of Japanese cars even though I have owned more of them than any other car. I have not liked any Vette since 1967. The reason we have many car companies is we have many differing opinions on cars. It seems to make you mad that others don't like what you do. We just spent a ton of money for my wife's new Mustang, why? Because she loves the styling, performance, interior, options and the Coyote engine. If does not make us mad if you don't like it....she does. I still have people asking why I would buy a FiST, does not make me mad. Many question why a mid 60's woman wants 460HP and a "sports car". They should have rode with her last week in the mountains and they would understand. BTW, she does not like the new Vette styling either and could have bought one if she did but like me it did not serve her needs. It will take GM a few years to get a real engine in it and the bugs worked out. It will be a competent, fast car eventually but $60K.......no.
 


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I think the new Vette is ugly as hell...and my E85 tuned A10 '18 GT makes the same power, looks nicer and I have 20k less in it...throw a Whipple on my set up and its a Vette/Hellcat killer...anyone who'd spend 70k for a new Vette must have a small penis or way too much money.
Looks are a opinion. I would like one will I probably not. My Wife loves it but you are correct she has a very small penis I can't even find it. Everyone has a mustang this is different and unique. People focus way too much on power numbers. The Corvette has a super reliable bulletproof engine just leave it alone and drive it. It'll get a lot of looks positive and some negative.
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I understand this is not everyone's cup of tea, but it looks amazing in person. I was able to check out the brown/grey base car with tan leather interior they had behind the main stage. It looks wider, lower and rounder? in person. More like an NSX combined with an updated ferrari 360, but still very Corvette-like from the ground level. THere's only so much designers can do with a mid-engine v8 without making it look too alien (hello Pagani and McClaren). Pictures don't show how truly low and wide the car is. The rear end isn't the prettiest, but it's much "smaller" in person.

If it truly drives amazing I will probably buy a base model next year since I have a big boy job now. The rep that was guiding the B-list E-Magazine reporters assured me that the quoted 0-60times were for the base model with performance exhaust, he also told me (I'm still doubtful) that the GPS enabled hydraulic nose lift was on ALL models. He also quoted the price difference between the base and the z51 model would be similar to the c7 price differences ~$7500 if I remember correctly. He smiled when I asked about the twin turbo V8 and hybrid powertrains and asked me if I thought they were seperate (twin tubro v8 + electricity?!?). There also seems to be a LONG options list from interior colors finishes, exterior accent colors, brakes, wheels, exhaust, suspension, etc so the price could easily approach $100K. He was emphasizing the dual nature of the car and how it would be able to embarrass expensive cars on the track and still drive comfortably around town.

The interior is gorgeous although the passenger seat is designed for more petite individuals and is quite claustrophobic looking. I didn't sit in it, but I got to do a 360 walk around. A LOT of buttons on that center pillar and unfortunately the digital cluster gauge was off. Everything looks to be amazing quality and puts my former 2006 zo6 with its plastic interior to shame.

Of course we all wish there was a 3 pedal option, but those of us that wish that tend to not buy these cars.....

Note to self: use my production and DoD contacts more often. If it weren't for my aunt working for the DoD and a former colleague working on a production team, I'd never have been able to tag along.
 


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I think this car is in better keeping with what the Acura NSX was in its original generation. It's a mid-engine targa that you can take with you... It can actually hold stuff. There isn't anything stopping you from using it as a daily driver, outside of snow... and at a price point that is a fraction of anything remotely like it in configuration/aesthetic or outright performance. These were the reasons I love the original NSX....

I'm looking forward to seeing one in the flesh.
 


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I think it looks good, as with most cars you aren't just gonna keep it stock. Good set of wheels with really wide tires, a lip kit and some bolt-ons should be a blast.

Also I really want to the what the Z06 or even ZR1 will bring along. Some are saying 700++hp and yes it would be a lot more expensive and yet cheaper and less exclusive than the Ford GT
 


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I remember when the r8 came out, I thought all the photos made it look ugly. Some cars just don't look good till you see them in person. Regardless of the looks (I think the c7 looks like an autozone fakescoop ricer-special) the c8 should have a very high performance to dollar ratio. I just hope the inherent access compromises of the mid-engine package don't hobble the aftermarket. Going to be a lot harder doing basic things like a cam swap
 




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