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"epa-declares-war-against-makers-of-emissions-defeat-devices"

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Spent 7 years in the heavy equipment industry as a wrench, very familiar with tier IV final emissions systems on modern Diesel engines. Let me tell you if you manage to put an on-road Diesel engine in limp mode it’s because you were flagrantly ignoring several regen events. You have to be stupid or in just a terribly maintained truck for it to happen. Particulate filters are indeed expensive, but will generally last 100k miles or more IF you allow the regeneration cycles to happen on schedule. The minute you start overriding them regularly is when you see issues, frankly I have little sympathy for people that plug and then subsequently ruin their DPF, generally speaking the control modules on the engine will handle it with little issue, it’s just something you have to plan for, like keeping the DEF tank topped off.

Technically most aftermarket tunes are already illegal. This legislation will do little to companies like Cobb because all they have to include is an asterisk with the “this is intended for off road use only” warning and suddenly they can sell it since they have warned the customer that it isn’t road legal. Pretty much any engine mod you do to the FiST outside of the MP215 has this disclaimer. So I don’t see how any of this would have a serious effect on the aftermarket scene.


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If you read the FIRST paragraph of the article you will see the EPA is not buying that "off road only" weak excuse any longer..........and the effect will be massive fines if they continue to sell them. Enforcement will be easy, Insurance companies will be encouraged to refuse to pay for damages on a car equipped with "off road" parts. The feds/states could seize any car/truck with modified emissions and hold it until a trial, return to stock and payment of fines, the states could refuse to issue a tag for a modified vehicle by declaring the VIN as "off road only". The new "Compliance Act" does not change any emission laws, but it does tell the EPA to start enforcing the laws and they are doing it. Many big time fines and forced recalibrations, and sales stopped in 2019.
 


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If you read the FIRST paragraph of the article you will see the EPA is not buying that "off road only" weak excuse any longer..........and the effect will be massive fines if they continue to sell them. Enforcement will be easy, Insurance companies will be encouraged to refuse to pay for damages on a car equipped with "off road" parts. The feds/states could seize any car/truck with modified emissions and hold it until a trial, return to stock and payment of fines, the states could refuse to issue a tag for a modified vehicle by declaring the VIN as "off road only". The new "Compliance Act" does not change any emission laws, but it does tell the EPA to start enforcing the laws and they are doing it. Many big time fines and forced recalibrations, and sales stopped in 2019.
Again, most of this is speculation. There is no mechanism for someone’s car to be seized, *yet*. The article states that the EPA will enforce the Clean Air Act’s regulations regarding the removal and defeat of emissions-related devises, e.g. cats and PVC/EGR valves, and that the EPA is going after the manufacturers, not the owners. At the moment the worse-case scenario for us is that the aftermarket will stop selling catless downpipes and oil filler breathers.

You’re envisioning the future that I’d like to avoid by encouraging the EPA to enforce existing regulations over writing new ones.
 


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He is weak alright. He is also a post modern socialist who loves giving our money away to foreign countries while our people become ever more indebted and poor. Make sure to vote for Trump!
Steven Miller is enough reason for me to vote him out. Trump's entire cabinet is abhorent, just a bunch of industry lobbyists running the show, its disgusting. I've experience the Trump Labor Board after a wrongful termination and made me regret not voting for Clinton.

I'm all in for Bernie now.

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Again, most of this is speculation. There is no mechanism for someone’s car to be seized, *yet*. The article states that the EPA will enforce the Clean Air Act’s regulations regarding the removal and defeat of emissions-related devises, e.g. cats and PVC/EGR valves, and that the EPA is going after the manufacturers, not the owners. At the moment the worse-case scenario for us is that the aftermarket will stop selling catless downpipes and oil filler breathers.

You’re envisioning the future that I’d like to avoid by encouraging the EPA to enforce existing regulations over writing new ones.
I think the EPA will start cracking down on the off road stuff as they said, the easiest way to do that is to insist the current laws to be enforced.
 


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I knew this would turn into a BITOG type discussion...I'm just an observer.


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I knew this would turn into a BITOG type discussion...I'm just an observer.


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EPA wants people to keep their exhaust systems healthy, they need to outlaw aluminized steel and thin-wall, fake 409 stainless, fake 304 stainless up North. Once your OEM exhaust rusts out, the average Jane/Joe can forget about keeping a quiet exhaust on the car for any more than a year-and-a-half at a time. We have a lot of loud exhausts because people get tired of paying big money to visit the exhaust shops on an almost biannual basis. Selling that shtz on our HEAVILY salted roads up North should be considered criminal. Down South, yeah that's fine.
 


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I knew this would turn into a BITOG type discussion...I'm just an observer.
More so in the last couple of decades, pretty much anytime I've heard/read the phrase, "...X declares WAR on...", it turned out to be made up (lie) or a straw man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)... a stretch at best. So I saw this title and immediately knew. When I saw @jeffreylyon saying it's about enforcing existing regulation, that pretty well confirmed my suspicions and haven't bothered to read the article. The title reads like click-bait. EPA is one of those things that has especially become hyper-politicized. Pseudo related, I do know that our morning air here has had the good odor of eau-de-dump lately. Couple of years ago it was eau-de-Marathon. :giggle:
 




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