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Federal ST-1 and Nitto NT-01

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Technically the 888R‘s area straight up track tire. Lol I mean if your tracking your car mostly I get it or you don’t daily/. For those of us who do both the RS PRO is a pretty damn good compromise plus you will be changing out your tires twice for my every once . I would have gone RS4’s but I could not get the deal I want and figured I would run the RS PROS a lot of endurance racers run the RS4’s instead of RE71’s so I am not buying the 888R’s are the be all end all. Lol Awesome tires just not completely sold on them.

Plus I have not heard about a lot of them cording and wonder about that claim you make as they have not even been on the market that long and are not all that easy to get. Only a few shops here in SoCal even currently carry them.
I dont know what to tell you then? Maybe visit some tracks or talk to people who track their cars alot and have used the Federals. I've personally seen 2 sets corded after 1 track day, and even I personally corded a set (they werent the Pros tho even tho the Pro supposed to be the same compound just a different tread design to reduce noise). They arent a bad tire, I just dont feel that they are a competitive tire. I dont daily my car, but I do drive it every weekend in the canyons and mountains or at the track so maybe that will prolong the life of the 888r. If I get 10k miles out of them, I'll be happy. The Federals were super sensitive to pressure changes, loud, and heat cycled out pretty quick. They are cheap tho, I do like that point. I really had high expectations for them, they just didnt work for me. That's all I'm saying. And I agree, the Re-71 is not a good track tire either, it's a good AX tire, but not a good track tire, they get greasy after about 3 laps at Chuckwalla.
 


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I dont know what to tell you then? Maybe visit some tracks or talk to people who track their cars alot and have used the Federals. I've personally seen 2 sets corded after 1 track day, and even I personally corded a set (they werent the Pros tho even tho the Pro supposed to be the same compound just a different tread design to reduce noise). They arent a bad tire, I just dont feel that they are a competitive tire. I dont daily my car, but I do drive it every weekend in the canyons and mountains or at the track so maybe that will prolong the life of the 888r. If I get 10k miles out of them, I'll be happy. The Federals were super sensitive to pressure changes, loud, and heat cycled out pretty quick. They are cheap tho, I do like that point. I really had high expectations for them, they just didnt work for me. That's all I'm saying. And I agree, the Re-71 is not a good track tire either, it's a good AX tire, but not a good track tire, they get greasy after about 3 laps at Chuckwalla.
See funny thing Is my friend runs RSRR’s on his 240sx and had fastest lap time at Buttonwillow and has driven Chuckwalla and streets as well as the big track at Willow Springs and has never experienced cording.

He was recommending RSRR’s to me when I went out and got the RS PRO‘S in part because A. The RR’s were considered extremely noisy and B because they did not even sell a 16 in the RR’s.

I would have to had bought RSR’s instead which was actually tempting as I could have bought a set for $350 . I decided it was better to spend the extra $100 and get Feddys latest.

You also have just told me that you really do not know about the RS PRO as you just made an assumption that all Federal had done was change the tread pattern.

That is actually not the case as they do have a different load rating. Its not just a tread design change its a new tire.

It was also certified for European road use which the RR‘s were not so that again shows its a different tire altogether.

So I cry foul on your comments about RS PROS because you do not speak from experience wIth them rather just assumptions.

I respect your comments on tires you have run.
 


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See funny thing Is my friend runs RSRR’s on his 240sx and had fastest lap time at Buttonwillow and has driven Chuckwalla and streets as well as the big track at Willow Springs and has never experienced cording.

He was recommending RSRR’s to me when I went out and got the RS PRO‘S in part because A. The RR’s were considered extremely noisy and B because they did not even sell a 16 in the RR’s.

I would have to had bought RSR’s instead which was actually tempting as I could have bought a set for $350 . I decided it was better to spend the extra $100 and get Feddys latest.

You also have just told me that you really do not know about the RS PRO as you just made an assumption that all Federal had done was change the tread pattern.

That is actually not the case as they do have a different load rating. Its not just a tread design change its a new tire.

It was also certified for European road use which the RR‘s were not so that again shows its a different tire altogether.

So I cry foul on your comments about RS PROS because you do not speak from experience wIth them rather just assumptions.

I respect your comments on tires you have run.
I never claimed to have run the Pros. Lol. Fastest lap time?.....of what? In a class? Overall? Ever?
Your friend that runs RRs.....put some 888s on there and compare lap times. It's easy to be able to make the claim/assumption that tire "a" is better then tire "b" when you have no experience with anything other than tire "a". You wont be able to dispute hard data. No way, no how, not on Gods green earth that RRs are as fast as 888r's. They changed the load rating because of the sidewall....not a change in the compound. The new tire being Cert'd for EU road use...let's be honest, the RR prob could have been cert'd as well, Federal prob just didnt anty up for the cert. Neither of those points prove that the Pro is a better tire than the RR, norless the 888r. Even Federal themself said the compound didnt change but the tread pattern did to reduce noise. (BTW, are they quieter than the RR? that was one of the things I cant find any data on)
As far as research, can you show me ANY data that the RR is faster than the 888r? Every review and data point on the internet favors the 888r over the RR. A $350 set of tires will not keep up with an $850 set of tires.....they are $350 for a reason. Have you ever run a different r comp? Do you have have anything to compare them against? I have and do. I also have the data (not the Pros). Im in Temecula, when it warms up, your more than welcome to come up and test drive a set of my 888r's.
As long as you guys are happy with them, that's all that matters. What feels good to me and what fits my driving style may not be a good fit for someone else. Tires are like women, everyone has their own preferences. Lol.
 


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I never claimed to have run the Pros. Lol. Fastest lap time?.....of what? In a class? Overall? Ever?
Your friend that runs RRs.....put some 888s on there and compare lap times. It's easy to be able to make the claim/assumption that tire "a" is better then tire "b" when you have no experience with anything other than tire "a". You wont be able to dispute hard data. No way, no how, not on Gods green earth that RRs are as fast as 888r's. They changed the load rating because of the sidewall....not a change in the compound. The new tire being Cert'd for EU road use...let's be honest, the RR prob could have been cert'd as well, Federal prob just didnt anty up for the cert. Neither of those points prove that the Pro is a better tire than the RR, norless the 888r. Even Federal themself said the compound didnt change but the tread pattern did to reduce noise. (BTW, are they quieter than the RR? that was one of the things I cant find any data on)
As far as research, can you show me ANY data that the RR is faster than the 888r? Every review and data point on the internet favors the 888r over the RR. A $350 set of tires will not keep up with an $850 set of tires.....they are $350 for a reason. Have you ever run a different r comp? Do you have have anything to compare them against? I have and do. I also have the data (not the Pros). Im in Temecula, when it warms up, your more than welcome to come up and test drive a set of my 888r's.
As long as you guys are happy with them, that's all that matters. What feels good to me and what fits my driving style may not be a good fit for someone else. Tires are like women, everyone has their own preferences. Lol.
You like to put words in peoples mouths I did not say the RR was faster than the 888r I said my friend had run fastest laps (in his class) with the RR’s that is all I said.

I also questioned your claim everyone was cording them Just because you did and maybe saw a few others do it at the track that day. That is all.

I merely refuted some of your comments about the RR for the sake of another view and observation.

Oh and I did say was I was not sure nor did I feel the 888r which is a great tire was the end all be all like you are claiming that is all.

I do still question your assumptions about the RS PRO which I do have a right to do. I will see and I believe I will not have the same experience.

I think we are done here and can agree to not see completely eye to eye. Have a good day.
 


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You like to put words in peoples mouths I did not say the RR was faster than the 888r I said my friend had run fastest laps (in his class) with the RR’s that is all I said.

I also questioned your claim everyone was cording them Just because you did and maybe saw a few others do it at the track that day. That is all.

I merely refuted some of your comments about the RR for the sake of another view and observation.

Oh and I did say was I was not sure nor did I feel the 888r which is a great tire was the end all be all like you are claiming that is all.

I do still question your assumptions about the RS PRO which I do have a right to do. I will see and I believe I will not have the same experience.

I think we are done here and can agree to not see completely eye to eye. Have a good day.
Agreed. Have a good weekend, and be safe out there.
 


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Where did you get the NT01s for 380 shipped? Good talk y'all I'm looking to replace my wasted RSRRs that I daily noisy but don't mind. Was thinking on the Pros but now not sure. I guess I will continue searching for the better deal, as I'll be DDing them and spiriting canyon driving. NT01, ST01, Pros
 


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Where did you get the NT01s for 380 shipped? Good talk y'all I'm looking to replace my wasted RSRRs that I daily noisy but don't mind. Was thinking on the Pros but now not sure. I guess I will continue searching for the better deal, as I'll be DDing them and spiriting canyon driving. NT01, ST01, Pros
The NT01 is not a good tire to daily drive on. It's loud, harsh, and would wear out quickly. Not to mention horrible in the rain. For your usage, I would get the RS Pro. Each tire you're considering is in a different class. One is a track tire, one is a street tire that can go on track, and one is a street tire for the street.

I just finished off a set of NT01s on my track prepped S197 Mustang and they were solid. Actually quicker at Laguna Seca than my Continental slicks were haha. It's not the fastest tire ever but it's a great value when you look at the grip it provides and the consistency over its life. Currently searching for an alternative for the NT01, but I'm struggling to find one. The Nankang AR1 is faster without a doubt, but remains to be seen if it can have a comparable life expectancy to the NT01. They are noticeably cheaper, so that's something to consider as well.
 


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The NT01 is not a good tire to daily drive on. It's loud, harsh, and would wear out quickly. Not to mention horrible in the rain. For your usage, I would get the RS Pro. Each tire you're considering is in a different class. One is a track tire, one is a street tire that can go on track, and one is a street tire for the street.

I just finished off a set of NT01s on my track prepped S197 Mustang and they were solid. Actually quicker at Laguna Seca than my Continental slicks were haha. It's not the fastest tire ever but it's a great value when you look at the grip it provides and the consistency over its life. Currently searching for an alternative for the NT01, but I'm struggling to find one. The Nankang AR1 is faster without a doubt, but remains to be seen if it can have a comparable life expectancy to the NT01. They are noticeably cheaper, so that's something to consider as well.
How many miles did you get out of those NT-01's?
 


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How many miles did you get out of those NT-01's?
Couldn't give you a mileage number as they saw less than 25 miles on the street. But they were 275/35-18 on a 3750 lb car with driver so a bit overwhelmed. Despite that, I got 29 heat cycles (20ish minute track sessions) out of them, over half of them coming at Thunderhill East or 5 mile which is pretty rough on tires. Two tires started to cord the last session of the day which was convenient. Had they not corded on the shoulders, I probably could've gotten 3-4 more sessions out of them but they were a couple seconds slower compared to their prime.

I think if I ran 305s instead of 275s they would have held up a little longer, maybe 35-40 heat cycles. That's really hard to beat in my opinion. I'm not the fastest guy out there but I'd humbly say I'm in the top 15-20% of all cars on track on any given day so I'm certainly not parading around haha.

Also I saw somewhere above where someone said the R888R is the NT01. That's not true. There are rumors that it has the same tread compound or material or whatever, but they are very different tires on track. The Toyo's overheat and grease up still towards the end of sessions, all while still not having quite as much lateral grip as the NT01. They also do not last as long. This is all on cars above 3,000 lbs, so not a FiST, but still worth noting. I'm not sure what the size offerings are like for a Fiesta, but if you like the R888R on track, you should give the Toyo RR a try. I had a Mustang (GT350) customer swap to them from R888R and he picked up 4.5 seconds with no other changes around VIR. Tire life has been very similar for him too.
 


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Couldn't give you a mileage number as they saw less than 25 miles on the street. But they were 275/35-18 on a 3750 lb car with driver so a bit overwhelmed. Despite that, I got 29 heat cycles (20ish minute track sessions) out of them, over half of them coming at Thunderhill East or 5 mile which is pretty rough on tires. Two tires started to cord the last session of the day which was convenient. Had they not corded on the shoulders, I probably could've gotten 3-4 more sessions out of them but they were a couple seconds slower compared to their prime.

I think if I ran 305s instead of 275s they would have held up a little longer, maybe 35-40 heat cycles. That's really hard to beat in my opinion. I'm not the fastest guy out there but I'd humbly say I'm in the top 15-20% of all cars on track on any given day so I'm certainly not parading around haha.

Also I saw somewhere above where someone said the R888R is the NT01. That's not true. There are rumors that it has the same tread compound or material or whatever, but they are very different tires on track. The Toyo's overheat and grease up still towards the end of sessions, all while still not having quite as much lateral grip as the NT01. They also do not last as long. This is all on cars above 3,000 lbs, so not a FiST, but still worth noting. I'm not sure what the size offerings are like for a Fiesta, but if you like the R888R on track, you should give the Toyo RR a try. I had a Mustang (GT350) customer swap to them from R888R and he picked up 4.5 seconds with no other changes around VIR. Tire life has been very similar for him too.
That was me that compared the NT01 to the R888r. From what I was told, the 888 (not r) was different than the NT01, but the 888R was the same except for the tread pattern, but if you have run them both, then I believe you. I'm thinking of switch to the NT01 anyways. Sounds like they are good until they cord, last a little longer, and are able to rotate them better than the 888r. Unfortunately, they dont make the Toyo RR in the correct size (for me) for the Fiesta. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it.
 


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That was me that compared the NT01 to the R888r. From what I was told, the 888 (not r) was different than the NT01, but the 888R was the same except for the tread pattern, but if you have run them both, then I believe you. I'm thinking of switch to the NT01 anyways. Sounds like they are good until they cord, last a little longer, and are able to rotate them better than the 888r. Unfortunately, they dont make the Toyo RR in the correct size (for me) for the Fiesta. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it.
It's hard to explain, but they just feel and drive differently. The R888R is a softer tire in every aspect, which you think would translate to faster lap times but it doesn't :LOL:

Now I will say, lighter cars tend to have more success with the R888R than heavier cars, so don't automatically run to the NT01. Run through the Toyos and see how you like them and how long they last. If you get a few thousand street miles and 30 or so sessions from them, it's hard to ask for more. Plus some cars even have a hard time heating up the NT01 because it is harder, but at 2800+ lbs with driver I don't think the Fiesta would have that issue.
 


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It's hard to explain, but they just feel and drive differently. The R888R is a softer tire in every aspect, which you think would translate to faster lap times but it doesn't :LOL:

Now I will say, lighter cars tend to have more success with the R888R than heavier cars, so don't automatically run to the NT01. Run through the Toyos and see how you like them and how long they last. If you get a few thousand street miles and 30 or so sessions from them, it's hard to ask for more. Plus some cars even have a hard time heating up the NT01 because it is harder, but at 2800+ lbs with driver I don't think the Fiesta would have that issue.
I think that the NT01's might last a little longer on the street, but who knows. I've had really good luck with these 888R's, I had them heat cycled when I bought them, so I'm hoping that will make them last a little longer (that and the fact that the Fiesta is not my DD). If I get 10k street miles and a few sessions out of them, I'll be happy. I just wish they could me unmounted and rotated like the NT01.
Coming from the Federal RS-RR was a night a day difference, that's for sure.
 


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I have NT01's on my Miata. It is an awesome track tire in the DRY. Forget anything in the rain and anything kinda cold. I would NOT suggest getting them for a DD tire. Even though they are 100TW they seem to last forever. The grooves will wear somewhat quickly and then they become slicks. I know people who have put down new PB with NT01's that have 15 track days on them.
 


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I have NT01's on my Miata. It is an awesome track tire in the DRY. Forget anything in the rain and anything kinda cold. I would NOT suggest getting them for a DD tire. Even though they are 100TW they seem to last forever. The grooves will wear somewhat quickly and then they become slicks. I know people who have put down new PB with NT01's that have 15 track days on them.
I'm in SoCal, so all we have here is dry....lol. I'll just stick with the Toyos until I find something better I guess.
 


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I have NT01's on my Miata. It is an awesome track tire in the DRY. Forget anything in the rain and anything kinda cold. I would NOT suggest getting them for a DD tire. Even though they are 100TW they seem to last forever. The grooves will wear somewhat quickly and then they become slicks. I know people who have put down new PB with NT01's that have 15 track days on them.
15 DAYS? Wow, I really should track a smaller car. I would kill for NT01 levels of grip with something that lasts 15 events.

If you street drive the car, the R888R is a better option in my opinion. Could also give the Nankang AR-1 a try but those have even less "tread" than the NT01.
 


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15 DAYS? Wow, I really should track a smaller car. I would kill for NT01 levels of grip with something that lasts 15 events.

If you street drive the car, the R888R is a better option in my opinion. Could also give the Nankang AR-1 a try but those have even less "tread" than the NT01.
I've done probably 10 events on my front NT01's and they still have so much life left on them. I replaced the rears because I ended up getting a piece of metal stuck into one of them. NT01's last forever! Being a 2300lb Miata helps, but the Fiesta isn't that much heavier, but FWD probably doesn't help that much either.
 


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15 DAYS? Wow, I really should track a smaller car. I would kill for NT01 levels of grip with something that lasts 15 events.

If you street drive the car, the R888R is a better option in my opinion. Could also give the Nankang AR-1 a try but those have even less "tread" than the NT01.
The Nankang AR1 looked interesting. So did the NS2r
 


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Got my apartment deposit back and finally able to catch up on maintence on the car. Finally got in new tires/extra set of wheels for the track season. 205/40/17 Federal ST-1 (daily) and Nitto NT-01 for track days. Previously Run RSR-RR for track days in 215/40/17. Any direct comparisons between RS-RR and NT-01?
How did you like the ST-1 tires? I'm looking at them for daily tires as well.
 


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Wait for the Nankang CR-1, its going to be a killer tire. They are starting with the most common sizes in the next few months and then will expand but ive heard through the grapevine that they are on par with the newest Falken venture.
 


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Wait for the Nankang CR-1, its going to be a killer tire. They are starting with the most common sizes in the next few months and then will expand but ive heard through the grapevine that they are on par with the newest Falken venture.
They are clearly going after the Yok A052s with that tire, at a much lower price point! [thumb] [driving]
 




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