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    Quote Originally Posted by Quisp View Post
    Jeff did you go with new oil and coolant lines with your install ?
    I did not!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Ross View Post
    I think this prob makes the cyborg39 / X37-X47 obsolete.

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    Obsolete only if you want to spend double the money for 20 more Hp. No thanks!! That thing is $3000 out the door.

    Edit, I dug a bit deeper, actually a whopping 3 hp more for double the price...the AE car made 347 with their voodoo turbo, the Puma car made 344 with the X47r...3 whole hp for an extra $1000-$1500???? Hardly makes the other options obsolete...
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    Time flies......did a one year later video...

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    Thanks for the thorough write-up, Jeff.

    One of the proponent for keeping a car's turbo stock is that bigger turbo's higher horsepower often comes at the expense of low end response with the extra lag. Such was the case on my 600hp built Evo IX: When the power surged, the acceleration hurt your face. But at stop and go, it drove like ass. Or, donkey, I guess. While I hardly believe x47 would be like that, it does sound like you have not felt any noticeable lag with the upgrade?

    Thanks again!

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    I don't know if I'll ever do an upgraded turbo or not, but If I did the x47R would be the one for me. The cost is good and it makes all the power you need without doing some upgrading elsewhere like the fuel system. Thanks for the review. The x37 would be plenty for me but it's discontinued. We shall see what the future holds.

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    I know I'm bias here, but I just wanted to clarify that I've never seen a vt330r make more power on the dyno than an x47r. SAE chassis dyno numbers vs. SAE chassis dyno numbers. There are a handful of guys on this forum running the vt330r and they are not making comparable numbers to the x47r, not too mention they cost around $600 more than the x47r when fully optioned up with the GFB DV+ and Turbosmart IWG-75. The guys over in the UK run both and they will admit the x47r puts more power to the ground. The x47r turbo will make around 275->280 whp at 24 psi and 93 gas and at 27 psi it puts down 325 SAE whp on ethanol.

    I believe this graph here from the vt330r thread around 26 psi and vdyno is showing 292 whp.



    I haven't seen a 3rd party dyno of a vt330r make 320+ whp SAE, but I'll remain optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imhenry66 View Post
    Thanks for the thorough write-up, Jeff.

    One of the proponent for keeping a car's turbo stock is that bigger turbo's higher horsepower often comes at the expense of low end response with the extra lag. Such was the case on my 600hp built Evo IX: When the power surged, the acceleration hurt your face. But at stop and go, it drove like ass. Or, donkey, I guess. While I hardly believe x47 would be like that, it does sound like you have not felt any noticeable lag with the upgrade?

    Thanks again!
    Good stuff henry, like you I've done some stuff and afterward wondered if it was the best for my needs....that's part of why I'm content at 300, the car feels balanced like I said in the video. Check out my earlier video reviews on the X47 on YouTube where I discuss driving characteristics more. Short answer to your question is no there is no lag, I have full torque power down low just like on stock turbo. Looking at the graph below you can see that the X47 spools about 200rpm later than stock, but it's not enough to notice (note this is on 93 only):



    Quote Originally Posted by Ford ST View Post
    I don't know if I'll ever do an upgraded turbo or not, but If I did the x47R would be the one for me. The cost is good and it makes all the power you need without doing some upgrading elsewhere like the fuel system. Thanks for the review. The x37 would be plenty for me but it's discontinued. We shall see what the future holds.

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    I have always appreciated your commentary especially in respect to upgrades and I respect your ideas here as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by pwnall1337 View Post
    I know I'm bias here, but I just wanted to clarify that I've never seen a vt330r make more power on the dyno than an x47r. SAE chassis dyno numbers vs. SAE chassis dyno numbers. There are a handful of guys on this forum running the vt330r and they are not making comparable numbers to the x47r, not too mention they cost around $600 more than the x47r when fully optioned up with the GFB DV+ and Turbosmart IWG-75. The guys over in the UK run both and they will admit the x47r puts more power to the ground. The x47r turbo will make around 275->280 whp at 24 psi and 93 gas and at 27 psi it puts down 325 SAE whp on ethanol.
    Yeah I don't want cause drama but I've quietly done the research comparing the Puma products to all the other newer offerings for our car and the Puma comes out ahead every time. Only by a few hp but it's still ahead. In the real world with apples to apples (fuel, supporting mods, etc.) comparison they probably feel pretty similar though. Not sure of other factors like durability and spool time, but I'm quite happy with the X47 for sure.
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    I'm blown away by how much 'respect' the V6 Camry gets. I'm looking into this car (Fiesta ST), a 16+ Camaro V6 and a Mk7 GTI and all that's mentioned by so many people is how a Camry V6 is faster than 'that' car, stock. (Which is horse crap for 16+ Camaro V6, but still.) Where are these roving bands of 16-25 year olds in V6 Camrys out revving at every person not in a V8? My job is driving, and I see a V6 Camry MAYBE once a week, and the person driving is almost always 50+, and they've never revved at me or anyone around me. Perhaps they save their drag racing in those high horsepower family sedans for the night time?

    I'm just utterly blown away by the V6 Camry mentions. Muscle forums (I4/v6), Fiesta, Focus, Golf, WRX, BRZ/FRS/86. All of these people are to be shitting themselves in raw terror of the mighty Toyota Camry V6. Maybe I should skip my Fiesta ST or Camaro V6 and just get a Camry? (I already DD one, though it's a '99 I4.) Or at least a V6 Accord...

    Well, that might not work. I'm actually going to be spending a majority of my time in the twisties. You know, where this car was designed to be? Where the suspension was tuned to be? I kinda feel sorry for the drag/roll racers. :( Isn't this car a bit of a square peg in a round hole, in that regard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akumu View Post
    I'm blown away by how much 'respect' the V6 Camry gets. I'm looking into this car (Fiesta ST), a 16+ Camaro V6 and a Mk7 GTI and all that's mentioned by so many people is how a Camry V6 is faster than 'that' car, stock. (Which is horse crap for 16+ Camaro V6, but still.) Where are these roving bands of 16-25 year olds in V6 Camrys out revving at every person not in a V8? My job is driving, and I see a V6 Camry MAYBE once a week, and the person driving is almost always 50+, and they've never revved at me or anyone around me. Perhaps they save their drag racing in those high horsepower family sedans for the night time?

    I'm just utterly blown away by the V6 Camry mentions. Muscle forums (I4/v6), Fiesta, Focus, Golf, WRX, BRZ/FRS/86. All of these people are to be shitting themselves in raw terror of the mighty Toyota Camry V6. Maybe I should skip my Fiesta ST or Camaro V6 and just get a Camry? (I already DD one, though it's a '99 I4.) Or at least a V6 Accord...

    Well, that might not work. I'm actually going to be spending a majority of my time in the twisties. You know, where this car was designed to be? Where the suspension was tuned to be? I kinda feel sorry for the drag/roll racers. :( Isn't this car a bit of a square peg in a round hole, in that regard?
    I think you missed the point. The reason the Camry is brought up is because you could be at a light or on the interstate feeling great about how fast your ST is, but then be easily outrun by a mom or 50 year old guy as you mentioned who didn’t even know they were racing you, they were just rushing to Walmart.

    It’s not that people buy these vanilla cars to go fast. It’s that they can go faster than your car but they’re not even trying.
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    Lets be honest here, alot of cars, even if you have 300whp in your FiST will probably beat you at a stop light. These are not drag racing cars, good luck with traction from a dead stop. From a roll is a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDavis View Post
    Lets be honest here, alot of cars, even if you have 300whp in your FiST will probably beat you at a stop light. These are not drag racing cars, good luck with traction from a dead stop. From a roll is a different story.
    Actually that's not true, in my case I have traction control added to my tune and customized, I can launch with little drama and be to 60 in 5-6 seconds easy. If I did it correctly and all the stars were aligned I bet I could get a low 5 from 0-60.

    Still, a V6 Camry or heck a new Pilot will still be about neck and neck. That's my point, even with the FiST getting an upgraded turbo it's still not that fast when you compare it to what's out there.

    If you want a fast hatch you can launch, get a used Golf R and put about $3k of mods into it, you'll do 0-60 in 4 seconds every time.

    Put $5k in it and you'll do it in 2.99.



    Bottom line Fiesta isn't the fastest thing out there, even with upgrades. That was my point in bringing up the V6 Camry. I don't think my car is "fast" in the grand scheme of things. Just fun and pretty quick.
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