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PerfBlue15's Daily driver Tarmac Spec Rally Theme Build Thread

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I had to ask as I am tossing around a turbo upgrade and ATP was what I was thinking about actually
 


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I had to ask as I am tossing around a turbo upgrade and ATP was what I was thinking about actually
The kit functions and fits perfectly. Some of the fabrication just isn't pretty. It is a bitt laggy as well. I may be looking into a DHM quick spool kit in the semi near future if I cannot not find a header to bolt my turbo directly to the manifold and get rid of turbo the adapter plate.
 


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Update: I ordered the Mishimoto oil cooler, and radiator. I already installed the cooler and it seems to help a bit. I will report back after I install the radiator and do my first track day with the set up.
Secondly I am at a cross roads as to my running out of fuel situation. I had ordered the boomba auxiliary fuel plate and rails to have my tuner tell me to cancel the order and tell me to go water meth instead. Personally I'm not a fan of water meth and hate the idea of another fluid level to keep track of. My question is for the guys who make big power here what is the best option for my little 2560. I want to make more power and money isn't really an object I just want the best solution to my problem. I also don't really like the idea of the tbi auxiliary fuel systems.

Thanks for the input guys
 


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Update: I ordered the Mishimoto oil cooler, and radiator. I already installed the cooler and it seems to help a bit. I will report back after I install the radiator and do my first track day with the set up.
Secondly I am at a cross roads as to my running out of fuel situation. I had ordered the boomba auxiliary fuel plate and rails to have my tuner tell me to cancel the order and tell me to go water meth instead. Personally I'm not a fan of water meth and hate the idea of another fluid level to keep track of. My question is for the guys who make big power here what is the best option for my little 2560. I want to make more power and money isn't really an object I just want the best solution to my problem. I also don't really like the idea of the tbi auxiliary fuel systems.

Thanks for the input guys
I'm definitely in the same boat. At this point, I'm more so leaning towards waiting for a real fix. Current available options seem meh.
 


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I'm definitely in the same boat. At this point, I'm more so leaning towards waiting for a real fix. Current available options seem meh.
Yeah the current options suck.
I pulled the trigger on a meth kit today after Adam urged me to reconsider auxiliary fuel
since I'm close to maxing out my turbo. I'm hoping [MENTION=3805]Tune+[/MENTION] can get me close to 320whp on meth and 91 octane. Then I can go back to my quest for a tubular header and a custom down pipe.

I plan to run the car at willow springs again in early February. I have a lot of prep to do for the event but I hope to have my radiator installed along with water meth. I'm also hoping to mount a single fixed back corbuea seat in my car for the upcoming track day as well. I will post pictures of everything as it shows up. February will be a busy month for me.
 


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Mini update. My race car stimulus check this year will be converting my car to full [MENTION=1098]DHM[/MENTION] quick spool 290r spec. With the screamer pipe. I will post pictures as everything arrives.

I also completed my water meth kit install sans the nozzle which I will mount on monday. (When my tb spacer shows up) I will post pics of my meth set up this week.
 


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I guess it became necessary?
Somewhat. I just dont like the laginess of the atp set up. If I purely drag raced I would leave the kit alone and call it a day. But seeing as I daily drive and open track the car, the lag has gotten old to me. So I decided to step up to the DHM set up and end my lag issues. (And I like to continually mod my car and evolve my build)
 


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Why did Adam tell you to skip the aux fuel setup?

It seems much more safe than the TB aux fuel, the boomba seems much safer and.. better?

I also dislike the idea of water meth. I wonder how many miles a tank lasts?

I love this build thread, dunno if I've ever posted before but good work!
 


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Why did Adam tell you to skip the aux fuel setup?

It seems much more safe than the TB aux fuel, the boomba seems much safer and.. better?

I also dislike the idea of water meth. I wonder how many miles a tank lasts?

I love this build thread, dunno if I've ever posted before but good work!
Adam basically told me I was adding 400hp worth of fuel when I wanted to make another 30hp. He also explained what a nightmare it would be to tune the set up. Lastly he told me water meth was a lot easier to set up. So I'm giving it a whirl. I still am not a fan of water meth but [MENTION=3805]Tune+[/MENTION] says to run it so I will.

Also I'm wrapping up my water meth install tonight. So I'll just leave this here.


More updates coming soon. Including [MENTION=1098]DHM[/MENTION] part porn.
 


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Why did Adam tell you to skip the aux fuel setup?

It seems much more safe than the TB aux fuel, the boomba seems much safer and.. better?

I also dislike the idea of water meth. I wonder how many miles a tank lasts?

I love this build thread, dunno if I've ever posted before but good work!
Adam basically told me I was adding 400hp worth of fuel when I wanted to make another 30hp. He also explained what a nightmare it would be to tune the set up. Lastly he told me water meth was a lot easier to set up. So I'm giving it a whirl. I still am not a fan of water meth but [MENTION=3805]Tune+[/MENTION] says to run it so I will.

Also I'm wrapping up my water meth install tonight. So I'll just leave this here.


More updates coming soon. Including [MENTION=1098]DHM[/MENTION] part porn.
I'm not sure why you didn't just post why I told you to go meth instead of aux fueling, and why the Boomba kit isn't ideal.

First, auxiliary fueling doesn't give you additional power by adding it unless you are running out of fuel. If you are running out of fuel it is great, but methanol injection gives you more range out of your fuel system as well. I was out of fuel on a 400whp 5558BB Ecoboost Mustang and the customer added my bolt on methanol kit and we were able to reach 450whp and had plenty of room left for fuel. Methanol injection will also give you 2 additional benefits that Aux fueling cannot, cooler charge air temperatures, and octane. Just adding aux fueling doesn't give you any additional octane. It gives you the ability to increase your ethanol content but the highest ethanol content you can run is E85 and it is 106oct and it fluctuates state to state, and isn't consistently 85%. Most fiesta owners are mixing E85 with pump gas, which is a hassle to fill up at two pumps, especially if they aren't next to each other. There is also the guessing game aspect of running mixed fuel. With methanol you don't have to do that, you can fill up your tank with either washer fluid, boost juice, straight methanol, or a mix of your choice and you mix it in gallons outside of the car. For me, I just recommend my customers run pre-mixed boost juice, 50/45 of methanol to distilled water and 5% of other additives like nitro. You can reach up to 120oct with methanol injection, depending on what you are putting in the tank. Is it overkill, absolutely, but you can do it ;).

Each cylinder in the Fiesta cylinder head gets 2 intake runners. The Boomba aux kit only injects into 1 of those runners, so you are going to have one runner for each cylinder that is going to be prone to carbon build up on the valves. So 4 out of 8 valves are going to be clean, and 4/8 are going to be built up with carbon. Also, port injection angles the injector at a minimum of 30° to allow the fuel to enter the stream and a more natural angle. When you inject straight into an airstream, in this application a pressurized airstream, you increase the chances of turbulence which can change the state of your injection from atomized to more of a solid droplet which is less than ideal.

There is a limit of what you can get out of a methanol kit, and for the Fiesta I believe it is just under 400whp, safely. I hope this helps, if you have any questions please ask.
 


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There is a limit of what you can get out of a methanol kit, and for the Fiesta I believe it is just under 400whp, safely. I hope this helps, if you have any questions please ask.
Very helpful reply, Adam! I realize my original post had a sort of accusatory tone to it, which is not what I meant at all.

Assuming someone used the boost juice (49% meth, 51% water), about how long would 1 gallon last? I see it's $35 for 4 gallons...

Would an e30 mix + meth be even better? Race gas + meth?

In addition, how dangerous is the stuff? You can PM me if necessary, I guess this isn't a topic for this build thread...
 


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I'm not sure why you didn't just post why I told you to go meth instead of aux fueling, and why the Boomba kit isn't ideal.

First, auxiliary fueling doesn't give you additional power by adding it unless you are running out of fuel. If you are running out of fuel it is great, but methanol injection gives you more range out of your fuel system as well. I was out of fuel on a 400whp 5558BB Ecoboost Mustang and the customer added my bolt on methanol kit and we were able to reach 450whp and had plenty of room left for fuel. Methanol injection will also give you 2 additional benefits that Aux fueling cannot, cooler charge air temperatures, and octane. Just adding aux fueling doesn't give you any additional octane. It gives you the ability to increase your ethanol content but the highest ethanol content you can run is E85 and it is 106oct and it fluctuates state to state, and isn't consistently 85%. Most fiesta owners are mixing E85 with pump gas, which is a hassle to fill up at two pumps, especially if they aren't next to each other. There is also the guessing game aspect of running mixed fuel. With methanol you don't have to do that, you can fill up your tank with either washer fluid, boost juice, straight methanol, or a mix of your choice and you mix it in gallons outside of the car. For me, I just recommend my customers run pre-mixed boost juice, 50/45 of methanol to distilled water and 5% of other additives like nitro. You can reach up to 120oct with methanol injection, depending on what you are putting in the tank. Is it overkill, absolutely, but you can do it ;).

Each cylinder in the Fiesta cylinder head gets 2 intake runners. The Boomba aux kit only injects into 1 of those runners, so you are going to have one runner for each cylinder that is going to be prone to carbon build up on the valves. So 4 out of 8 valves are going to be clean, and 4/8 are going to be built up with carbon. Also, port injection angles the injector at a minimum of 30° to allow the fuel to enter the stream and a more natural angle. When you inject straight into an airstream, in this application a pressurized airstream, you increase the chances of turbulence which can change the state of your injection from atomized to more of a solid droplet which is less than ideal.

There is a limit of what you can get out of a methanol kit, and for the Fiesta I believe it is just under 400whp, safely. I hope this helps, if you have any questions please ask.
Which meth kit do you recommend? I've been considering a WMI setup but I'm not sure what parts are needed and how much it would cost. Is there a certain brand you recommend?
 


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Very helpful reply, Adam! I realize my original post had a sort of accusatory tone to it, which is not what I meant at all.

Assuming someone used the boost juice (49% meth, 51% water), about how long would 1 gallon last? I see it's $35 for 4 gallons...

Would an e30 mix + meth be even better? Race gas + meth?

In addition, how dangerous is the stuff? You can PM me if necessary, I guess this isn't a topic for this build thread...
No need to run anything else but methanol injection. Doing any E30 + Meth, or Race Gas + Meth isn't going to yield any better results. There is such a thing as too much octane, there isn't going to be any issues but once you get to a point more octane doesn't yield any results.out 1.5

1 tank of meth usually last about 1.5 tanks of fuel. It all depends on how much you beat on it, methanol is only being injected in 6psi+ in most cases. I have mine to start at 6psi, and progressively inject to 100% @ 18psi.
 


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Which meth kit do you recommend? I've been considering a WMI setup but I'm not sure what parts are needed and how much it would cost. Is there a certain brand you recommend?
In my bolt in Mustang kit I use the AEM kit. I sell about 2-3 a week to non-mustang customers. I believe it is the easiest to use, and most complete kit on the market. It is what the OP of this thread purchased off me.
 


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In my bolt in Mustang kit I use the AEM kit. I sell about 2-3 a week to non-mustang customers. I believe it is the easiest to use, and most complete kit on the market. It is what the OP of this thread purchased off me.
And if the pump fails? Any sort of failsafe?
 


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I am fascinated with this stuff, don't know enough to have any opinions, but will follow and learn. Thanks Tune + for clearing up some confusion.
 


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