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I am considering getting Rota Slipstreams in the near future, only downside is that I'm trying to figure out which tire size I should run.

I want to run stock diameter ratio as close as possible to not affect speedometer reading. I've found that 205/50/16 is within -.80% of stock diameter, being a hair shorter.

What is everyone else running on 16x7?
I'm running 205/45-16 BFG SC2 on 16x7. Close enough to stock diameter for me (23.2 vs 23.4). CHEAP, grippy, comfortable and arguably decent treadwear (340) for my Daily Driver only FiST, but heavier than stock (21 vs 19 lbs) and a little "fat" for 7" width (a little "stretch" is better).

Other top contenders I considered:
205/45-16 Hankook V RS-3 - lighter than SC2, more expensive, I could not source locally for a good price.
205/45-16 RE71R - Perfect performance specs for 16x7 including being light (19lbs), 2x the price as SC2. (This is my personal and theoretical "Money no object" choice for 16x7)
 


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Does any one know if a 14" steelie from a 1998 escorts will fit on a Fist ? I know they are both 4x108.... I have a set of 14 slicks I want to try and use it be nice to buy $20 steelies instead of $450 in slicks again..
 


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Does any one know if a 14" steelie from a 1998 escorts will fit on a Fist ? I know they are both 4x108.... I have a set of 14 slicks I want to try and use it be nice to buy $20 steelies instead of $450 in slicks again..
Wont clear front brakes

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Yes

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If rolling the fenders is all that needs to be done that's not a problem I own a roller. If cutting and stuff is needed that would be where I run into the problems. I appreciate you're responses though!
 


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The rears are rolled from the factory and the fronts don't need much rolling to be done either. You would need a bit of pull along with relatively narrow tires to make it work.

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The rears are rolled from the factory and the fronts don't need much rolling to be done either. You would need a bit of pull along with relatively narrow tires to make it work.

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So my best bet is to go with a higher number offset with 17x8 in order to not rub?
 


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Hi, Berzerker... "Clerks" reference, yeah?

You seem to be TGWK (the guy who knows) when it comes to tires for the FiST, so I'd really appreciate it -- and rate your transaction accordingly! -- if you could answer this:

I have the 17" wheel pkg on my newly purchased '16 FiST, which comes with OE Bridgestone Potenzas 205/40r17, summer-only tires. We get a metric sh!t-ton of snow and ice here in winters and I do 110 miles per day commute (yeah, you read that correctly)...

So, I've read the posts and used your handy link to the British set-up converter and everything seems AOK, but I'd like your say-so on this 'low-cost' (c. $1,000), winter-beating setup:

Sparco Drift 16x7 rims

Continental ExtremeContact DWS 205/45ZR16 tires

I've had a lot of experience with the 54,000-mile rated Continentals. They are excellent in all weather conditions (I sand-bagged and drove my RWD low-clearance Saturn Sky through a pair of 16" snowstorms one year when they were already 2 years old and over 45K and survived), but they are not available in R17... hence new wheels and tires for the FiST before November (i.e., ASAP)...

Is this a workable solution?

One-word answer is acceptable; but, I would appreciate any additional details and/or recommendations...

TIA,
zooid
 


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Hi, Berzerker... "Clerks" reference, yeah?

You seem to be TGWK (the guy who knows) when it comes to tires for the FiST, so I'd really appreciate it -- and rate your transaction accordingly! -- if you could answer this:

I have the 17" wheel pkg on my newly purchased '16 FiST, which comes with OE Bridgestone Potenzas 205/40r17, summer-only tires. We get a metric sh!t-ton of snow and ice here in winters and I do 110 miles per day commute (yeah, you read that correctly)...

So, I've read the posts and used your handy link to the British set-up converter and everything seems AOK, but I'd like your say-so on this 'low-cost' (c. $1,000), winter-beating setup:

Sparco Drift 16x7 rims

Continental ExtremeContact DWS 205/45ZR16 tires

I've had a lot of experience with the 54,000-mile rated Continentals. They are excellent in all weather conditions (I sand-bagged and drove my RWD low-clearance Saturn Sky through a pair of 16" snowstorms one year when they were already 2 years old and over 45K and survived), but they are not available in R17... hence new wheels and tires for the FiST before November (i.e., ASAP)...

Is this a workable solution?

One-word answer is acceptable; but, I would appreciate any additional details and/or recommendations...

TIA,
zooid
Definitely workable. Though a couple things to keep in mind.

1. Dws is still an all season tire... Which will never give you the same level of grip in shit conditions as a dedicated winter tire (altimax artic or blizzacks).

Note: with dws you'll want to replace them for "true winter use" after the S marker has worn away... You can push past that surely - but the effective tread depth to deal with heavy snow conditions is comprised.

2. Winter conditions general rule of thumb narrower is better than wider...ie 185 will give you more traction then a 205 in snow/slush conditions - more weight on a smaller surface area means it's easier for the tire to "cut" down to the road surface for traction.

3. Many on the forums that have stayed with the factory brakes (not a bbk) run steelies in 15 & 16 with either blizzacks or altimax arctics and are very happy with their performance, not looks... (myself driving in WI every other weekend 400 miles round trip...lake effect to central WI on a 185 altimax Arctic mounted to a steelie)

My recommendation - wheel choice totally up to you - I like the drifts :) but personally I'd run a 195 wide dedicated snow tire esp with the snap lift oversteer this little hatch can do... You certainly won't regret it and 16's are definitely cheaper then 17's

:)

I'm sure some of the other guys can chime in on this as well...

Hope this helps

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Thank you very much for your detailed response, LT Berzerker.

So, my new alternative plan is probably Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 -- since TireRack's ($113 per in size mentioned) testing has them outperforming all the competition by a wide margin in light/deep snow and ice -- on 16x7 Drifts ($102 per, ibid) for a total c. $1100 shipped and installed. Run them only in this year's winter months (approx 2,500 miles per month x Nov-Mar).

Then, I mount true winter tires on OE rims, though not available in the width you recommended in a R17: Blizzak WS 80 205/40R17 XL at $154.89 per, shipped. This is a wider tire than you specified, but I'd really like to use 'black' OE rims (more like 'chocolate brown') to save on steelies.

Given real-life user reviews of all the available summer tires, I'm only gonna get maybe 1 more Spring-Summer-Fall on OE summer-only tires (useless in any weather after 30K). I've still got a mounted set of 4 summer UHP's for the Sky (which my son now drives) in my garage, and if I store 3 sets of mounted tires in my garage, my wife will literally cut pieces of my body off and chuck 'em out the window on the way to the 7-11, afterwards... 2 sets is inviting the infamous 6-month silent treatment.

I've had Potenzas on the Sky: They were 'good enough' performing tires; but, soft compound was heavily treadworn after first year (c. 36k miles) and pricier than Continentals (540-rated). I gave the Contis a try and have never looked back. So, I've got to mount those OE Potenzas for 1 more S-S-F (preferred) or sell 'em (ugh!).

Honestly, I'm not overly worried about driving the straight-and-level Plains terrain I traverse to and from work, regardless the road conditions, given an all-season tire. If roads are passable to a RWD Saturn Sky, they'll be passable to 2.4" inches higher clearance FWD FiST. With nothing more than increased vigilance for potential threats, I've driven my wife's Ford Escape on OE Continental all-season tires on my typical commute through a fairly common 4"-snowfall-over-2"-of-clear-ice in only 5 minutes greater elapsed time than dry road (53.4 miles per leg)... In short, I drive a lot, and have gotten fairly proficient at it over the past 16 years on this particular job site.

Closing thoughts?

I've rated the transaction with highest marks. Your input is well-informed, concise and helpful.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
-zed
 


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Thank you very much for your detailed response, LT Berzerker.

So, my new alternative plan is probably Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 -- since TireRack's ($113 per in size mentioned) testing has them outperforming all the competition by a wide margin in light/deep snow and ice -- on 16x7 Drifts ($102 per, ibid) for a total c. $1100 shipped and installed. Run them only in this year's winter months (approx 2,500 miles per month x Nov-Mar).

Then, I mount true winter tires on OE rims, though not available in the width you recommended in a R17: Blizzak WS 80 205/40R17 XL at $154.89 per, shipped. This is a wider tire than you specified, but I'd really like to use 'black' OE rims (more like 'chocolate brown') to save on steelies.

Given real-life user reviews of all the available summer tires, I'm only gonna get maybe 1 more Spring-Summer-Fall on OE summer-only tires (useless in any weather after 30K). I've still got a mounted set of 4 summer UHP's for the Sky (which my son now drives) in my garage, and if I store 3 sets of mounted tires in my garage, my wife will literally cut pieces of my body off and chuck 'em out the window on the way to the 7-11, afterwards... 2 sets is inviting the infamous 6-month silent treatment.

I've had Potenzas on the Sky: They were 'good enough' performing tires; but, soft compound was heavily treadworn after first year (c. 36k miles) and pricier than Continentals (540-rated). I gave the Contis a try and have never looked back. So, I've got to mount those OE Potenzas for 1 more S-S-F (preferred) or sell 'em (ugh!).

Honestly, I'm not overly worried about driving the straight-and-level Plains terrain I traverse to and from work, regardless the road conditions, given an all-season tire. If roads are passable to a RWD Saturn Sky, they'll be passable to 2.4" inches higher clearance FWD FiST. With nothing more than increased vigilance for potential threats, I've driven my wife's Ford Escape on OE Continental all-season tires on my typical commute through a fairly common 4"-snowfall-over-2"-of-clear-ice in only 5 minutes greater elapsed time than dry road (53.4 miles per leg)... In short, I drive a lot, and have gotten fairly proficient at it over the past 16 years on this particular job site.

Closing thoughts?

I've rated the transaction with highest marks. Your input is well-informed, concise and helpful.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
-zed
Np, that's why we have the forums, I dislike when people who use the "search it" response... At least link the thread that pertains... /End rant/ though,

1. most think they can drive a car beyond what conditions allow esp following distance. (ie: rallycar bro!) Sounds like your well aware of driving within what conditions will allow... :).

2. Once the dws are about 1/2 worn run the piss out of them on a couple fun auto-x's or a track day to use up the tread before you replace them with something else.

3. Stock wheels, and stock suspension (not lowered folks have run up to a 215/45r17

(mich PSS read: check tread and section width to truly know what the max if when comparing to other tires/brands)-

knowing this gives you a little more room to play with alternate sizing ie: 195/50r16 or 195/55r16...currently offered in that size:

Tirerack.com

Yoko ice guard : $94.25
Pirelli winter sottozero : $96.25
Dunlop winter max : $97.25
Conti winter contact: $106.83

Just a couple options ( rolling diameter is 620~ which is smaller then a standard 215/45 ) and should fit without issue :)

195/50r16 is much closer to factory diameter (600~ mm):

Yoko ice guard comes in at 106.74 &
blizzacks are 117.34

Options are good :) but the final decision between winters & all seasons is totally up to you (armed with the knowledge of treadwear on the a/S tires) ;)


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I just put conti DWS 205/45/16 on sparco's to replace OEM and I couldn't be happier. Much better ride lighter weight and for Kansas winters should be a good choice. They don't grip as good as the Bridgestone tires but still more than enough on the street.
 


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Np, that's why we have the forums, I dislike when people who use the "search it" response... At least link the thread that pertains... /End rant/ though,

1. most think they can drive a car beyond what conditions allow esp following distance. (ie: rallycar bro!) Sounds like your well aware of driving within what conditions will allow... :).

2. Once the dws are about 1/2 worn run the piss out of them on a couple fun auto-x's or a track day to use up the tread before you replace them with something else.

3. Stock wheels, and stock suspension (not lowered folks have run up to a 215/45r17

(mich PSS read: check tread and section width to truly know what the max if when comparing to other tires/brands)-

knowing this gives you a little more room to play with alternate sizing ie: 195/50r16 or 195/55r16...currently offered in that size:

Tirerack.com

Yoko ice guard : $94.25
Pirelli winter sottozero : $96.25
Dunlop winter max : $97.25
Conti winter contact: $106.83

Just a couple options ( rolling diameter is 620~ which is smaller then a standard 215/45 ) and should fit without issue :)

195/50r16 is much closer to factory diameter (600~ mm):

Yoko ice guard comes in at 106.74 &
blizzacks are 117.34

Options are good :) but the final decision between winters & all seasons is totally up to you (armed with the knowledge of treadwear on the a/S tires) ;)


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Thanks again, LT Berzerker. I truly appreciate your depth of knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge.

...Not sure what you meant by, "I dislike when people who use the "search it" response... At least link the thread that pertains...", but it sounds like I somehow peeved you, unintentionally. All my research was from TireRack.com and the British tyre/wheel set-up calculator you provided.

Though not a paid representative of either TireRack or Continental Tire, I believe in telling people when I've found something good. Therefore, http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...all=Blackwall&partnum=145WR7ECDWSXL&tab=Sizes, shows a Continental EXTREMECONTACT DWS Ultra High Performance All-Season in 215/45ZR17 (which I believe you Ok'd for stock fitment on a 2016 FiST?). That website also includes TR's video review of the tires from their winter test track in Sweden, and their breakdown of the tire's performance across 11 standardized categories, all of which 'Excellent' or 'Superior', thus:

WET:
Hydroplaning Resistance 8.8
Wet Traction 8.8

DRY:
Cornering Stability 8.2
Dry Traction 8.8
Steering Response 8.2

WINTER/SNOW:
Light Snow Traction 8.2
Deep Snow Traction 7.4
Ice Traction 7.0

COMFORT:
Ride Quality 8.6
Noise 8.2
Treadwear 8.1

...And there are 3,811 user reviews (one of which mine). Set aside a day or two to read them all and Enjoy!

Since these 215/45ZR17 tires are on closeout at a significant savings -- and this exercise is rapidly gaining complexity in the variables, rather than increased clarity -- I'm going to go with tires-only ($94.25 + $17.82 shipping + c. $25 mounting at local NTB per tire = $137.07 x 4 = $548.28) and punt the rest of it down the road, when time -- and availability/pricing! -- allow deeper reflection.

In closing, I trust this out-going generation of Conti DWS with my life. I've owned 3 sets (2 on the Sky, 1 on a Focus) all of which went over 48k before the 'S' was no longer visible, all of which went over 64k before the 'W' was no longer visible! ...At which point I 're-tired' them, cuz I ain't never slowing down for a garden-variety torrential rainstorm. In my experience (528,000 miles over the past 16 years), they have been in all respects superior to any OEM tire from Goodyear, Michelin, Bridgestone, etc. costing twice as much. I know what I've got -- and what I will get! -- in the Continental ExtremeContact DWS. Specifically, -- running them 365.25 days per year -- I get 2 full Great Plains/'Flatland' winters and a couple extra summers. This means that with a spare set of rims, I can manage a set of 8 for over 4 years and c. 132,000 miles for around a grand (less the cost of extra rims), in biennial $500 installments. That's a bargain that does not compromise safety, comfort or aggressive handling (read: 'fun').

Notes:
1. Previous reference: The wife's 2013 FWD EcoBoost Escape and my 2014 FWD N/A Ford Focus SE were shod with OEM non-DWS a/S Contis and had no problem in 5" snow over ice. The Focus' tires wore out for snow after 1 season and were replaced with DWS, which easily pulled 2 winters.
2. Sky came with Goodyear Eagle F1's. Utter shite. Replaced them after 6 months with Bridgestone Potenzas at half the cost of OEM (still in excess of $1,200 for 4), but they were noisy and wore out around 42k. Dunlop A/P Sport's were cheaper and superior performers, 50k tread life, $c. $700 from Sam's Club. Found TireRack and completely superior in every way Continental DWS, and the rest is history.
3. I drive to/from work for over 10 hours per week. I feel no need to track my mission-critical resource daily driver on my days off, especially since the nimrods with whom I share the road on my commute would scare the living crap out of a NASCAR driver. ; )
4. I have literally sold cars because the tires needed replacement after 64k miles...
5. ...and luckily, Ford have special incentives for veterans and first responders, which makes changing cars almost as easy and cost-effective as changing tires. Not to mention Fiesta and Focus are developed in hyper-competitive European market and are the best 'domestic' cars you could possibly find. Ford have got their shit together.

Have a sweet one, bro. Thanks for the assist.

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No man, I see all the time on forums someone asks an easily answerable question (for some, maybe not others) without "searching" the forum and get shut down immediately by snide responses... Id rather restate or link the right location then shut anyone down :)

Yes a 215/45r17 should fit. I know that was regarding specifically the mich pilot super sports -

***IMPORTANT: if another 215/45r17 is being considered be sure to compare the measured tread width, overall diameter, and section width *WHICH VARY GREATER BETWEEN BRANDS* (tirerack does list that info) if it's more then the mich PSS then buy and mount at your own risk of rubbing/interference, if not you should have no problems :)

This is about as much advice based on exp I can give lol.

Enjoy the looking for tread and may your money go far ;)

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Hello,

Reading through this thread I've already understood that a 205/40/17 (stock tire) will fit with a 17x7 ET38 tire. However now i'm wondering if this will affect the handling and driving characteristics of the car.

I went on to search on this website http://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?whe...40-17X7ET38&fcl=50mm&wcl=50mm&scl=50mm&sr=0mm and seen that there's a 9mm Positive scrub radius.

I'd be grateful if someone could clear this up for me, thanks!
 


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Hello,

Reading through this thread I've already understood that a 205/40/17 (stock tire) will fit with a 17x7 ET38 tire. However now i'm wondering if this will affect the handling and driving characteristics of the car.

I went on to search on this website http://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?whe...40-17X7ET38&fcl=50mm&wcl=50mm&scl=50mm&sr=0mm and seen that there's a 9mm Positive scrub radius.

I'd be grateful if someone could clear this up for me, thanks!
ET38 is a slightly wider stance than Stock (ET47.5). Within reason, wider wheelbase is better.

As a data point (I'm not an expert, just an enthusiast), I'm currently running ET40* (16x7) and consider it to be completely awesome for daily use.

Another data point: Many wider wheels are offered in ET35 (e.g. TD ProRace 1.2 15x8 ET35). I presume/assume this means ET35 is perfectly safe/appropriate.
 




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