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Another new St model coming....... oh wait another SUV

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well, since Ford isn't going to make cars anymore, the only things to put ST badges on are trucks and SUV's. I am really excited for the autonomous ride hailing taxi ST. Nothing spells performance driving like riding around in a computer operated pod.

I do wish the Explorer would have been a Raptor version instead of a ST. How bad ass would be an Explorer that is just a roll cage away from racing across Baja. Flared fenders, lots of power, stupid loud, big tires, lots of suspension travel, and really wide track. As somebody who hates SUV's, I would think that would actually be acceptable.


Some days I feel like Sarah Conner in Terminator 2. You see the future, it sucks, and everybody thinks your crazy for saying it will suck. The truth is, the future sucks. Just be happy for the short time we have left with products you can own and drive, even if it is an Explorer ST.
 


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I saw that in Europe they have a Fiesta "ST Line." They're Fiestas with the ST look, but less powerful engines. They even have diesels. Fuel costs are still a concern there, and Fiestas are still a very popular car, #1 in the UK since forever.

Here in the US, most of us want big, roomy cars and SUVs. It may be due to the fact that 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese. It may also be that gas is cheap here. This is just a different market. I'm glad I got my car when I did.

I'll leave it mostly stock and enjoy it for what it is: A light, economical car with some extra kick that handles like a sports car. I hope to drive it for decades. I'll leave it mostly stock, but some taller Michelins and Bilstein B6s are in this car's future when the time comes. Probably a symposer delete, too. I just don't need it.

Maybe gas will go up again someday, like it did under Bush. Maybe people will walk up to me in parking lots and offer to buy my car, like they did when I was driving a Geo Metro in California and gas was $5.00/gal.

Either way, I love not giving all my money to Exxon/Mobil and still having something that makes me grin. Too bad people here equate bigger with better. It's just not always true.

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I saw that in Europe they have a Fiesta "ST Line." They're Fiestas with the ST look, but less powerful engines. They even have diesels. Fuel costs are still a concern there, and Fiestas are still a very popular car, #1 in the UK since forever.

Here in the US, most of us want big, roomy cars and SUVs. It may be due to the fact that 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese. It may also be that gas is cheap here. This is just a different market. I'm glad I got my car when I did.

I'll leave it mostly stock and enjoy it for what it is: A light, economical car with some extra kick that handles like a sports car. I hope to drive it for decades. I'll leave it mostly stock, but some taller Michelins and Bilstein B6s are in this car's future when the time comes. Probably a symposer delete, too. I just don't need it.

Maybe gas will go up again someday, like it did under Bush. Maybe people will walk up to me in parking lots and offer to buy my car, like they did when I was driving a Geo Metro in California and gas was $5.00/gal.

Either way, I love not giving all my money to Exxon/Mobil and still having something that makes me grin. Too bad people here equate bigger with better. It's just not always true.
I don't think the person's size is a direct reason for the market changing to larger vehicles. Judging by the fact that the fitness clubs in my area are packed full of SUV's and trucks, yet the people inside put a high value on fitness, I don't see a correlation. It probably is closer to the size of your car and house for that matter, have been typically a measure of success in America. 50 years ago, you arrived when you had the longest Cadillac in your driveway. Small cars have always been associated with not being wealthy enough to buy something better. SUV's and trucks also have that "I am active, look at me and how active I am" look to them. This is another very popular mindset in the US. We have also entered a very odd state in which the country is all about giving the middle finger to the world and being more 'merica than in years past. This really cements buyers to buy something that is 'merican, and that is giant trucks and SUV's. Lastly, Millenials (which companies are obsessed with more than any other demographic) is growing up and moving to the suburbs and having kids. They must have room for all the kids toys, pack and plays, automatic swinging baby pods, and the rest of the crap parents feel the need to bring everywhere. They can't do that and have a car. Even my brother, who is 100% a car guy realizes that with two kids, his Fiesta has to go. The new generation car seats won't fit in the car. He can only haul one kid at a time. Back when I was a kid, my parents had an Escort and child seats were barely anything.

As you can see, there are many factors coming together at the same time which killed the car.

Gas will go up, but buyers won't drop their SUV's or trucks like they did back in the mid-2000's. The reason is that the fuel economy of large vehicles has greatly increased and now their are and will be more options for electric and hybrid SUV's and trucks. Owners won't jump into smaller cars again. Even if they wanted to, nobody is going to build cars in that segment again.
 


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They're really going nuts on them over there. There is a luxury version with leather interior, and even one that looks like an SUV. A Fiesta for every taste.

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I don't think the person's size is a direct reason for the market changing to larger vehicles. Judging by the fact that the fitness clubs in my area are packed full of SUV's and trucks, yet the people inside put a high value on fitness, I don't see a correlation. It probably is closer to the size of your car and house for that matter, have been typically a measure of success in America. 50 years ago, you arrived when you had the longest Cadillac in your driveway. Small cars have always been associated with not being wealthy enough to buy something better. SUV's and trucks also have that "I am active, look at me and how active I am" look to them. This is another very popular mindset in the US. We have also entered a very odd state in which the country is all about giving the middle finger to the world and being more 'merica than in years past. This really cements buyers to buy something that is 'merican, and that is giant trucks and SUV's. Lastly, Millenials (which companies are obsessed with more than any other demographic) is growing up and moving to the suburbs and having kids. They must have room for all the kids toys, pack and plays, automatic swinging baby pods, and the rest of the crap parents feel the need to bring everywhere. They can't do that and have a car. Even my brother, who is 100% a car guy realizes that with two kids, his Fiesta has to go. The new generation car seats won't fit in the car. He can only haul one kid at a time. Back when I was a kid, my parents had an Escort and child seats were barely anything.

As you can see, there are many factors coming together at the same time which killed the car.

Gas will go up, but buyers won't drop their SUV's or trucks like they did back in the mid-2000's. The reason is that the fuel economy of large vehicles has greatly increased and now their are and will be more options for electric and hybrid SUV's and trucks. Owners won't jump into smaller cars again. Even if they wanted to, nobody is going to build cars in that segment again.
Ford will just leave the smaller market cars to the Japanese here, I guess. At least your brother can still get an ST! lol
 


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Ford will just leave the smaller market cars to the Japanese here, I guess. At lest your brother can still get an ST! lol
Ha, yep, if he could only afford what Ford is going to make. They are moving to higher transaction prices and wealthier buyers, which I don't see too many wealthy people buying Fords. I am thinking the smaller car market will end up with Korean or Chinese manufactures, and they will be very basic and cheap. China may try to enter the market that way, which is how the Koreans did. Actually, Japan did the same in the 1960's. Ford just wants to be the company for expensive SUV's, trucks, and mobility products. I am putting my bets on Mazda as being the only company to still focus on the driver, but that won't last long. They will fall under the pressure of a new world that doesn't buy cars and driver's don't matter.
 


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Ha, yep, if he could only afford what Ford is going to make. They are moving to higher transaction prices and wealthier buyers, which I don't see too many wealthy people buying Fords. I am thinking the smaller car market will end up with Korean or Chinese manufactures, and they will be very basic and cheap. China may try to enter the market that way, which is how the Koreans did. Actually, Japan did the same in the 1960's. Ford just wants to be the company for expensive SUV's, trucks, and mobility products. I am putting my bets on Mazda as being the only company to still focus on the driver, but that won't last long. They will fall under the pressure of a new world that doesn't buy cars and driver's don't matter.
Yes, around here it is almost an admission of SHAME to be caught dead (or alive) in a "lowly" domestic nameplate ride, (even in the case of BIG SUVs), as the richy-rich, snooty, elitists demand one drive a Euro, or Nippon 'high end' nameplate (even SUV) in order to be part of their 'club'.
(DESPITE the fact that they end up 'passing themselves', even in the SAME COLOR, let alone model, rides, at least 10,000X more than I do in my 'POS economy car'. LOL)
 


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