Smog checks and CARB going away!

[rallytaff]

Looks as though they are going away in 41 days when it gets signed into law. Got to love Lee Zeldin for getting rid of these SCAMS which have been ripping us off for decades! It was nothing to do with clean air, it was all about the MOOLAH! When this passes, I'm having my COBB down pipe put back on!

 

[grimlock212]

Looks as though they are going away in 41 days when it gets signed into law. Got to love Lee Zeldin for getting rid of these SCAMS which have been ripping us off for decades! It was nothing to do with clean air, it was all about the MOOLAH! When this passes, I'm having my COBB down pipe put back on!

Do you have more details? Is this in California? All counties?

 

[rallytaff]

TK's Garage on YT last night posted it. As far as I know it's nationwide. When this takes effect it can NEVER, EVER be brought back regardless of who's in power. They will probably do Safety Checks instead and they want to class brake dust as a polluter because they'll lose so much money. CARB is also finished, but if it is, I don't see how they can bring in brake dust checks.
By the way TK is very knowledgeable when it comes to following what's going on. He's very up to date and has the right connections. Check him out.

 

[grimlock212]

That’s great news if correct. Hopefully Jay Leno gets the changes to SMOG testing for newer classic cars too. I think they should just set it to all cars 30 years or older are SMOG exempt, or something like that.

The problem with CARB was the cost to get the certification. I have friends in the industry, and they have told me the process plain sucks. Today I literally bought a Cobb CAI because my new to me FiST came with a random Mountune intake hose that isn’t CARB certified. Why does a friggen hose need to be certified?!? I could have bought the original Ford part, but the cost of the CAI wasn’t *that* much more…

 

[Dialcaliper]

Looks as though they are going away in 41 days when it gets signed into law. Got to love Lee Zeldin for getting rid of these SCAMS which have been ripping us off for decades! It was nothing to do with clean air, it was all about the MOOLAH! When this passes, I'm having my COBB down pipe put back on!

Sensationalism again without reading the fine print. Even if this does get through the legal
Challenges and implementation, it has nothing to do with “smog checks” and tailpipe testing going away.

The regulation in question is “greenhouse gas emissions” that have decentralized effects - at most it will affect regulations on carbon/CO2 emissions for cars that are relatively new and are tested at the manufacturer level and are one of the justifications for pushing to EVs, and have nothing to do with the “smog forming chemicals” that have test limits during a “smog check” specifically HC, CO and NOx which have had well documented “localized” effects on the environment such as the 70’s smog bowl in LA.

In short, like everything else this administration is doing, this will have absolutely no effect or relief to you, mean and the average Joe, despite the claims, and be almost entirely aimed at lining the pockets of rich pricks and corporations.

I love how they are succeeding at hoodwinking their own supporters and then bending them over like choirboys singing praises to Jesus.

 

[rallytaff]

Sensationalism again without reading the fine print. Even if this does get through the legal
Challenges and implementation, it has nothing to do with “smog checks” and tailpipe testing going away.

The regulation in question is “greenhouse gas emissions” that have decentralized effects - at most it will affect regulations on carbon/CO2 emissions for cars that are relatively new and are tested at the manufacturer level and are one of the justifications for pushing to EVs, and have nothing to do with the “smog forming chemicals” that have test limits during a “smog check” specifically HC, CO and NOx which have had well documented “localized” effects on the environment such as the 70’s smog bowl in LA.

In short, like everything else this administration is doing, this will have absolutely no effect or relief to you, mean and the average Joe, despite the claims, and be almost entirely aimed at lining the pockets of rich pricks and corporations.

I love how they are succeeding at hoodwinking their own supporters and then bending them over like choirboys singing praises to Jesus.

Tell us how this will line the pockets of, as you put it, rich pricks and corporations. Who is pushing EV's when there's a mandate in CA against them? You're quite obviously against this administration who's doing their job and getting rid of expensive SCAMS! Living in SF tells us all we need to know!

 

[grimlock212]

Tell us how this will line the pockets of, as you put it, rich pricks and corporations. Who is pushing EV's when there's a mandate in CA against them? You're quite obviously against this administration who's doing their job and getting rid of expensive SCAMS! Living in SF tells us all we need to know!

Hey now, where we live shouldn’t matter. I live in the SF Bay Area and I’d be the first to say that CARB and SMOG needs to be revised in a way to not hurt car enthusiasts. California has the largest car enthusiast population in the US. I’d just avoid politics in public forums since it’s so polarizing these days.

 

[Intuit]

Facts and science are behind emissions standards.
Remember the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, China?
Following that debacle, even they made changes (extreme, even) following that and supposedly is among the cities with good air quality now.
Took some time, but the 2022 Olympics were remarkably different.

Cleaner water, cleaner air can be taken for granted when we have it.
But when we don't the consequences can be far reaching, health compromising, and difficult to redress.
Keep in mind that not everyone has the same tolerances for toxins.
(kids, elderly and allergy-prone individuals for instance)

The problem WE have is that we keep referring to things as an ALL -or- NOTHING.
I don't want California level emissions bureaucracy but neither want (old) China level standards either.
Instead of getting constantly whiplashed between one extreme or the other, how about we begin to make SMARTER decisions about management with a mix of independence at the consumer level, and standards at the development and manufacturing levels?

 

[Intuit]

BTW, I LOVE warm weather.
Bring on the heat baby! 😁🌞🔆
I am PRO global warming.

(I say the above without complete seriousness. Those living near waterways (not me at the moment) and flood planes (which historically has been the majority of human populations) are more heavily affected by the changes.)

 

[rallytaff]

Hey now, where we live shouldn’t matter. I live in the SF Bay Area and I’d be the first to say that CARB and SMOG needs to be revised in a way to not hurt car enthusiasts. California has the largest car enthusiast population in the US. I’d just avoid politics in public forums since it’s so polarizing these days.

When this gets signed it will benefit ALL enthusiasts. Cars will be cheaper so they don't have to have all the emission crap on them. Cars these days run cleaner than they have ever run because of technological advances. One example that was quoted is that one car today puts out about the same emissions that 60 cars put out in the 80's. If that's not an improvement, I don't know what is. I doubt that TK would go on YT and tell us that CARB and smog checks are gone if they're not. We have to wait the obligatory 45 days for any arguments against it going into law.

Facts and science are behind emissions standards.
Remember the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, China?
Following that debacle, even they made changes (extreme, even) following that and supposedly is among the cities with good air quality now.
Took some time, but the 2022 Olympics were remarkably different.

Cleaner water, cleaner air can be taken for granted when we have it.
But when we don't the consequences can be far reaching, health compromising, and difficult to redress.
Keep in mind that not everyone has the same tolerances for toxins.
(kids, elderly and allergy-prone individuals for instance)

The problem WE have is that we keep referring to things as an ALL -or- NOTHING.
I don't want California level emissions bureaucracy but neither want (old) China level standards either.
Instead of getting constantly whiplashed between one extreme or the other, how about we begin to make SMARTER decisions about management with a mix of independence at the consumer level, and standards at the development and manufacturing levels?

The Chinese put out all that crap from the coal fired power plants. Don't forget about the crap that a volcano throws out. Don't forget the size of their population compared to ours, maybe three times the size of ours. This country has probably done more on the planet to reduce pollution than anyone else. My gripe is that we've been ripped off by the self appointed bureaucrats for decades because it was a money maker rather than emissions. As old as I am, I'm looking to spend my last years enjoying cars they way they should be, not because some bureaucrat wants to make money from us!

 

[XR650R]

Climate change is real, and pretending it's not is going to destroy most life on the planet.
Science over feelings.

 

[TyphoonFiST]

 

[Intuit]

The Chinese put out all that crap from the coal fired power plants. Don't forget about the crap that a volcano throws out. Don't forget the size of their population compared to ours, maybe three times the size of ours. This country has probably done more on the planet to reduce pollution than anyone else. My gripe is that we've been ripped off by the self appointed bureaucrats for decades because it was a money maker rather than emissions. As old as I am, I'm looking to spend my last years enjoying cars they way they should be, not because some bureaucrat wants to make money from us!

Without emissions/EPA we wouldn't have an ozone layer right now. Any system that is created can be abused. But out of all the examples of abuse they are the extreme MINORITY of example. Talk of eliminating standards altogether over an extreme minority is the same as talk of eliminating law enforcement over some extreme examples. FIX the specific instances of problems. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

1) How do they effectively appoint themselves? Answers include - https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...istricting-gop-midterm-elections/84519300007/ https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/16/nyregion/sarcone-albany-us-attorney.html
2) SOME states do turn a profit from emissions enforcement. Some of that lot reinvest those profits into other initiatives, such as tree planting. But it seems that those who end up at a net-loss, get criticized for wasting money. Those that turn a profit, get criticized for "ripping off' the public. In other words, it becomes a talking point for something we don't like.

Currently it's the EU that is the most stringent on emissions. It's why the lot of our motorcycles have gone from four cylinder to two cylinder. (booo 👎) The four cylinder engine in my car, has recently gone to a three cylinder in the EU. (they quit selling that car altogether here)

The Chinese actually went so far as to temporarily shutter factories. (like I said, extreme)

Volcanoes put out more than all of us but this is not something that just started yesterday and we cannot control or influence volcanic activity. What has changed over the last century is OUR output. That we can influence. But the bottom line is, talk of FIX... do not talk of eliminate.

 

[Intuit]

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🤣 Believe it or not, I actually agree with you here... but not in the way you might think. 😜
Frankly at this point, I don't blame them at all. What they've been doing, clearly works... in multiple nations including Russia and Venezuela.
So why not keep doing it?


Rex Tillerson was clearly wrong... the name of the moron begins with a 'v'.... 😅

 

[rallytaff]

Climate change may be real but humans cannot change the climate because they're NOT responsible for it to begin with!