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250-275 BHP- How to get there...

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Hi guys, this is my first post, so go easy on me...
I have a standard engine ready to be fitted transversely in my new project car. I'm looking for around 250-270bhp, preferably with a quicker spooling turbo, what specific parts would people recommend? I know I'll need an intercooler, and my exhaust will be custom made from the manifold. It will run on custom management, so I don't need a specific companies tune file.
Where would your money go?
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X37 PUMASPEED* if can be found......s280.....REVO242 if still available......Whoosh trac spec turbo even though it looks like you are across the pond
 


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BHP...wouldn't that put you around 230whp? If that's the case I don't think you'd need a bigger turbo for that.
 


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Pumaspeed is selling the X-37 again. Great turbo that keeps stock like spool and decent power. I'm pushing just over 250WHP/290lb-ft torque with it. It's been super reliable too.

What is the project car you will be fitting the engine into?
 


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Pumaspeed is selling the X-37 again. Great turbo that keeps stock like spool and decent power. I'm pushing just over 250WHP/290lb-ft torque with it. It's been super reliable too.

What is the project car you will be fitting the engine into?
I hear good things about the X37.
Its going in a 98 Escort with a carbon cosworth Kit
 


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Speaking from experience, this engine is not strong. Pushing 250-270 to the wheels is a hard bargain if you are either tracking or daily this engine.

I would recommend a built short block with either stronger cylinder liners or both liners and a closed deck. SBD motorsport makes just such a conversion
https://www.sbdmotorsport.co.uk/index.php/products/index/4675
 


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Speaking from experience, this engine is not strong. Pushing 250-270 to the wheels is a hard bargain if you are either tracking or daily this engine.

I would recommend a built short block with either stronger cylinder liners or both liners and a closed deck. SBD motorsport makes just such a conversion
https://www.sbdmotorsport.co.uk/index.php/products/index/4675
Plenty of people pushing 300+ on this engine - not sure where your "experience" is coming from.
 


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I would suggest that you start with the Engine Block. In the year since I've joined this forum I've seem multiple posts about engines running larger turbos suffering piston failures. When that happens you have to start over from scratch with a new engine. Because not only the head gets totaled in most cases the turbo is also destroyed.

Build a block with FORGED pistons and H beam connecting rods as a starting point. Note, Mountune offers the MRX Short block with these components PLUS a cylinder support plate for something in the range of 4300 bucks. Just be sure to check the torque values of each connecting rod and the crankshaft journal caps. Because I've also seen a few posts indicating that Mountune has some techs that forgot to do the final torque procedure. Yeah, some have found loose Main Bearing caps and rod end caps.

Once you have the block squared away then you can look into a larger turbo. BTW if I ever go to a larger turbo I'm leaning towards the S280 because of the torque curve produced. To my eye the S280 seems to produce more area "under the curve" that the MRX or Whoosh hybrids.

I'll also note that if you are running long tread life tires like I am the plain jane bone stock motor will overpower the available traction in first and second gear on dry concrete. Boost your power up to the 275 HP region and traction will become a concern. On the plus side the 3rd gear and up rush will just add to the grin factor. Which is why I'm still debating adding power to my 2019. Fact is the stock engine is very satisfying in a daily driver and building it up right will likely end up costing in the range of 10K or a bit more. BTW, figure 7-8K for the engine and likely another 2K in clutch upgrades, a limited Slip Differential and a set of wheels and tires that can provide enough traction to properly use that additional horsepower.

BTW, I am certain that some will state I am over the top on the engine buildup requirements. To those I will simply point out the total cost incurred when that factory engine blows up a piston. Building the engine up properly for the higher power and boost is actually the lowest cost approach.
 


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Plenty of people pushing 300+ on this engine - not sure where your "experience" is coming from.
My experience is with now 2 broken, stock internals engines running 260-280 to the wheels on an x47r.
Yes, some people do get away with it on ethanol, but on 95-98 cooling becomes a big issue and it really just wrecks this engine starting with deck warping and cylinder liners cracking. Latest one ate at least a compression ring and probably a piston. Can't know for sure how bad till it's been disassembled.
 


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You and Jeff are still on the stock engine and have been fine. Maybe it's because y'all are such great guys your car rewards y'all with reliability.

My personal opinion being on here for 3 years people who push to get every last drop of power out of a turbo upgrade, people who don't upgrade the cooling system and people who don't pay attention to the numbers the car is giving them are the ones that blow the engine.

Yes some people have had bad luck but some people have been going for several years stock engine no problems.

I don't believe I've seen anyone running an x37 blow their engine I could be totally wrong but I don't remember seeing it here.


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