Best RMM for a DD?

#41
I've run cobb for 40k+ miles on my DD, no complaints here.
It also helps if you have a CUSTOM or FLASH tune, to have your tuner raise your idle speed to 900-950rpm FYI
 
#42
FWIW, I have the AWR 70a mount and my vibes are the worst around 1000rpm. When it idles at 800 it's pretty smooth, but when the fan goes into wind tunnel mode and the rpm raises to 1000rpm, it rattles the dash and side mirrors like crazy lol.
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#43
I've run cobb for 40k+ miles on my DD, no complaints here.
It also helps if you have a CUSTOM or FLASH tune, to have your tuner raise your idle speed to 900-950rpm FYI
FWIW, I have the AWR 70a mount and my vibes are the worst around 1000rpm. When it idles at 800 it's pretty smooth, but when the fan goes into wind tunnel mode and the rpm raises to 1000rpm, it rattles the dash and side mirrors like crazy lol.
It's universally thought of that raising the idle RPM will help with all of them, but it looks like we're seeing that certain mounts feel the most vibes at certain independent RPM's... For example with my Torque Solutions, that's a very similar design to the Cobb I'd have to agree it's actual worse vibes are above 1000 that I feel while taking off from a stop. In fact, I just get barely added vibes at any idle speed, but "lumpy" if stopped facing uphill with the weight of engine back on the mount.
 

Kalter

Senior Member
#44
Can you reiterate on the better mods? Other than coilovers or spring/shocks or wheel/ tires? I really want to know what else is available for better handling.
I have not done much in terms of handling so far, so it would be hard for me to recommend much, but I don't think this car needs a lot until there's more power to it. Mine was stage 2 (still is) before the braces and while the difference was noticeable, my biggest problem was tires. My plan, other than tires, was to go up to stage 3 and then start working on the handling. Got an opportunity on the braces and took it though, but again I'm waiting to get the money for the turbo back before I start on the handling.

From what I have been suggested, one of the best mod for handling is a LSD. I don't dislike the stock suspension, so my plan is to get stage 3 and save for the LSD (and final drive while the tranny is open). Afterwards I will look into suspension.

But for cheap, braces and springs are the cheapest you can get. Always go for the best tires you can, but it's a wear item, replace it when you need to (except if they fucking sucks!)
 

stascom

Senior Member
#45
Always go for the best tires you can
Bears repeating. After swapping stock Michelins for Indy 500s, I rarely break traction in 2nd gear. Combined with Cobb's traction control, the car is completely reformed. Lateral grip improvement is mind-blowing.
 
#46
I love my Mountune one. I put a liberal amount of lithium grease when putting it on and haven't had a single issue. No vibration issues and shifts are noticeably better. I have a tune and it got sloppy with the stock mount, but not now!
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#47
I have not done much in terms of handling so far, so it would be hard for me to recommend much, but I don't think this car needs a lot until there's more power to it. Mine was stage 2 (still is) before the braces and while the difference was noticeable, my biggest problem was tires. My plan, other than tires, was to go up to stage 3 and then start working on the handling. Got an opportunity on the braces and took it though, but again I'm waiting to get the money for the turbo back before I start on the handling.

From what I have been suggested, one of the best mod for handling is a LSD. I don't dislike the stock suspension, so my plan is to get stage 3 and save for the LSD (and final drive while the tranny is open). Afterwards I will look into suspension.

But for cheap, braces and springs are the cheapest you can get. Always go for the best tires you can, but it's a wear item, replace it when you need to (except if they fucking sucks!)
Not saying this as a personal thing at all, but just curious why people still talk about these "stages" defined by Cobb that have been proven to be utter BS? You either have an e30 tune or not and an intercooler or not, other than that it's all about turbo upgrade as the real "Stage 3"... so while you can be "Stage 3" by Cobb's definition, but if on a 91 tune then a 100% stock car with an e30 tune is gonna gap you, if they can hook up... I'm just saying this in regards to the thread topic, someone on an e30 tune stock car is going to have more problems with traction, just saying we have to keep that in mind while discussing solutions... Also it seems that the other two engine mounts aren't discussed either, it's a good idea to at least do the inserts for those too as the engine can bounce around still even with a roll restrictor/RMM in place. I'm doing those 2 inserts and a traction bar this weekend as even with my car technically "Stage 1" by Cobb's definition, I'm running e30 so need help with traction and torque steer.
 
#48
I think it's an attempt at a universal designation for describing the current level of powertrain modifications done to the car. I know it's vague and kinda silly from some aspects, but it give a general idea of the amount of mods done. I would consider my car at Stage 1 due to tune, Boomba short shift (under hood), weighted shift knob and RMM. I think on a stock vehicle that the Mountune RMM would be nice.
 

Kalter

Senior Member
#49
Not saying this as a personal thing at all, but just curious why people still talk about these "stages" defined by Cobb that have been proven to be utter BS? You either have an e30 tune or not and an intercooler or not, other than that it's all about turbo upgrade as the real "Stage 3"... so while you can be "Stage 3" by Cobb's definition, but if on a 91 tune then a 100% stock car with an e30 tune is gonna gap you, if they can hook up... I'm just saying this in regards to the thread topic, someone on an e30 tune stock car is going to have more problems with traction, just saying we have to keep that in mind while discussing solutions... Also it seems that the other two engine mounts aren't discussed either, it's a good idea to at least do the inserts for those too as the engine can bounce around still even with a roll restrictor/RMM in place. I'm doing those 2 inserts and a traction bar this weekend as even with my car technically "Stage 1" by Cobb's definition, I'm running e30 so need help with traction and torque steer.
Eh, I see what you mean. While I say that my car is stage 2, it's fairly different from a simple Cobb stage 2. Just having the TBP braces makes a big difference, not in power delivery, but how it gets to the ground.

Somehow, Cobb made stage packages and everyone went with it. When you get a big turbo, you end up outside of those stage packages. When you look at euro spec, their stage are completely different, with stage 3 being a big turbo, but even then it seems dependent on the manufacturer.

My car is Cobb stage 2, but since no one else is doing stage package, it's stage 2.

In the past I was hearing people talking about other cars and be like "wow this car is stage 2" or "hehe my Civic is stage 3!", but this doesn't mean jack shit to anyone that don't know the specific about your car. Within FiST owner here, I believe we know what we mean by each stage (and FoST owner should be able to relate, it's so similar), but talking to a GTI owner, you would lost him. The GTI tuning strategies are so different, it's another planet entirely.

I don't know where I'm going with that, but I basically agree with you. I don't know why a big turbo is not considered a stage package in our car. They could have stage 1 as FMIC and stage 1+ as turboback and stage 2 as hybrid and stage 3 big turbo.

But Cobb doesn't sell turbos, so that's why.
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#50
Eh, I see what you mean. While I say that my car is stage 2, it's fairly different from a simple Cobb stage 2. Just having the TBP braces makes a big difference, not in power delivery, but how it gets to the ground.

Somehow, Cobb made stage packages and everyone went with it. When you get a big turbo, you end up outside of those stage packages. When you look at euro spec, their stage are completely different, with stage 3 being a big turbo, but even then it seems dependent on the manufacturer.

My car is Cobb stage 2, but since no one else is doing stage package, it's stage 2.

In the past I was hearing people talking about other cars and be like "wow this car is stage 2" or "hehe my Civic is stage 3!", but this doesn't mean jack shit to anyone that don't know the specific about your car. Within FiST owner here, I believe we know what we mean by each stage (and FoST owner should be able to relate, it's so similar), but talking to a GTI owner, you would lost him. The GTI tuning strategies are so different, it's another planet entirely.

I don't know where I'm going with that, but I basically agree with you. I don't know why a big turbo is not considered a stage package in our car. They could have stage 1 as FMIC and stage 1+ as turboback and stage 2 as hybrid and stage 3 big turbo.

But Cobb doesn't sell turbos, so that's why.
Well said, and I only bring it up for discussion purposes, not to belittle anyone... I'm just kind of surprised the community hasn't moved past using Cobb's stages as the definitive standard when intake and exhaust matter so little while on stock turbo... I mean I consider you to be pretty much "Stage 3" by Cobb's definition, it's not like you are missing out on any power by having a stock exhaust. I just swapped the muffler to a glasspack to go along with Symposer delete and the sound is SO much better, getting to hear the turbo noises under the hood is SO much better, but didn't sound right with only Symposer delete alone, hehe.
 

Kalter

Senior Member
#51
Well said, and I only bring it up for discussion purposes, not to belittle anyone... I'm just kind of surprised the community hasn't moved past using Cobb's stages as the definitive standard when intake and exhaust matter so little while on stock turbo... I mean I consider you to be pretty much "Stage 3" by Cobb's definition, it's not like you are missing out on any power by having a stock exhaust. I just swapped the muffler to a glasspack to go along with Symposer delete and the sound is SO much better, getting to hear the turbo noises under the hood is SO much better, but didn't sound right with only Symposer delete alone, hehe.
Yeah well don't say it too loud, but after some reading around here, I decided to start running the Cobb stage 3 tune. It made almost no difference and it makes no sense to me, but whatever. Supposedly, the worst that would happen is burn the cat, like I give a fuck. FoST owners around here seems to think it's a really bad idea, but whatever, what are they, mechanic? (actually, they are, hehe)

I would prefer to have stages on individual parts. The FoST guys have the CP-e RMM with both stage 1 and stage 2. The closest we seems to have to a manufacturer doing multiple "stages" for the RMM is AWR.
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#52
Yeah well don't say it too loud, but after some reading around here, I decided to start running the Cobb stage 3 tune. It made almost no difference and it makes no sense to me, but whatever. Supposedly, the worst that would happen is burn the cat, like I give a fuck. FoST owners around here seems to think it's a really bad idea, but whatever, what are they, mechanic? (actually, they are, hehe)

I would prefer to have stages on individual parts. The FoST guys have the CP-e RMM with both stage 1 and stage 2. The closest we seems to have to a manufacturer doing multiple "stages" for the RMM is AWR.
Yeah, I hear the higher stages for the OTS tunes might simply heatsoak your IC faster, but the boost is VERY conservative on those anyway, so screw it, why not? Those FoST guys don't know how the FiST is different with an even smaller turbo... I just used Stage 1 as "better than nothing" until I got my Stratified tune in and now VERY happy on Dizzy.
 
#53
I have the Mountune mount and it is for sure noticeable. Performance and feel is awesome, it makes the experience of driving and shifting a bit more enjoyable. At idle especially when the car is first started it is noticeable.
 
#54
I was going to try a torque solutions mount. Budget friendly.

Considering the car gets spirited blips now and again, I just need a firmer feel.
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#55
I was going to try a torque solutions mount. Budget friendly.

Considering the car gets spirited blips now and again, I just need a firmer feel.
Keep in mind that the big bushing ones like Cobb, Vudu and Torque Solutions will have less vibes but still work well with more area to distribute vibrations. I really like my Torque Solutions with it's 75a while Cobb is only 68a on primary bushing. Don't know about Vudu hardnes, it's not published, but the cheaper AWR will probably have more vibes even at 70a than the big bushing ones, since it uses smaller bushings... just food for thought.
 
#56
I sold my Cobb. It felt soft at times. I only hammer down occasionally, and when I do, it’s a rough beating, but 80% of the time, I’m not too rough lol I’m sure the Cobb would suffice, but they cost more than a new TS in used condition. After first of the year, I plan to get another AP3, and an e30 tune, if I keep the car.
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#57
I sold my Cobb. It felt soft at times. I only hammer down occasionally, and when I do, it’s a rough beating, but 80% of the time, I’m not too rough lol I’m sure the Cobb would suffice, but they cost more than a new TS in used condition. After first of the year, I plan to get another AP3, and an e30 tune, if I keep the car.
Yeah, Cobb is probably the softest, I like the Torque Solutions as it puts the power down without a lot of added vibes. It didn't even have to break in at all nor changed over time, just a bit of a lumpy idle when stopped facing uphill, especially until I added the passenger side engine mount insert, which is extremely underrated but does add more vibes than a softer RMM, but not bad at all in street version.
 
#58
just did a cobb rmm, i am old and hate any vibes so far i got 0 nvh added to the ride i dont feel i will need to up the stock idle either since i literally dont have any vibes even with the ac on i only got vibes once on a real cold day, and once the car was lukewarm it went away. so far i love the difference between the stock and cobb so much that i am selling my stocker i am that confident in the ride quality staying intact with this rmm. for it me was either the cobb rmm or the mountune one they both seem to be the most dd friendly rmm out there.
 
#59
Yeah, Cobb is probably the softest, I like the Torque Solutions as it puts the power down without a lot of added vibes. It didn't even have to break in at all nor changed over time, just a bit of a lumpy idle when stopped facing uphill, especially until I added the passenger side engine mount insert, which is extremely underrated but does add more vibes than a softer RMM, but not bad at all in street version.
Eh, I’m torn. I may do the Cobb or TS. Not sure. Income tax= FMIC, AP3, RMM & e30.
 

danbfree

Senior Member
#60
Eh, I’m torn. I may do the Cobb or TS. Not sure. Income tax= FMIC, AP3, RMM & e30.
So, here is the EXACT difference: Both are nearly exact same design of course, but Torque Solutions is a 75a/75a for the two bushings while Cobb is 68a/80a which in all fairness the softer bushing is the smaller one anyway that won't be affected as much by being softer, but also the Torque Solutions is a good $35 less and is just as good, excellent quality... but again, since I barely noticed any added vibes at all with my TS, I think that 75a is better to prevent that backward flex we are trying to avoid.
 


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