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[Dpro]

Are you sure on that I haven't seen any information. Not a single person has mentioned that on the focus site.

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I read that around a year ago. Maybe they did not , I am trying to track it down now.
Anyways I think we are going to far down this road as it is lol. The main reason for the post in the thread was to laugh at the fact hey used a FoRS and a FiST for the article.
debating about the trans is really not something I wanted to do nor should we care we own FiSTs and if we owned DCT cars we all know we got the extended warranty and either got lucky or did not,

 

[danbfree]

We will agree to disagree. I'm on the focus site plenty of people with 2017/18 still having issues. It's been discussed dry dual clutches do not work.
It is destined to fail.

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No, it wasn't dry clutches in general, just this one... plenty of Euro cars have used dry clutches before without this kind of failure rate although, yes, wet clutches have become the standard since... and you may be right about the DPS6 still being shitty overall, but they did get the rate down far enough that they don't need to extend the warranty. I wouldn't say they are even average still as far as failures, still below average but it's down to the seals leaking or not is what decides all of it now, and they are better than the originals and before there was a huge TCU issue involved also, and that much is resolved now. It's probably down from a 60% failure rate to a 20% now, LOL.

 

[Ford ST]

No, it wasn't dry clutches in general, just this one... plenty of Euro cars have used dry clutches before without this kind of failure rate although, yes, wet clutches have become the standard since... and you may be right about the DPS6 still being shitty overall, but they did get the rate down far enough that they don't need to extend the warranty. I wouldn't say they are even average still as far as failures, still below average but it's down to the seals leaking or not is what decides all of it now, and they are better than the originals and before there was a huge TCU issue involved also, and that much is resolved now. It's probably down from a 60% failure rate to a 20% now, LOL.

Agree to disagree. Have a good night.

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[danbfree]

Are you sure on that I haven't seen any information. Not a single person has mentioned that on the focus site.
Maybe it was the one overseas that got the new transmission.
Nevermind there is no 2019 Ford Focus in America.

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I read that around a year ago. Maybe they did not , I am trying to track it down now.
Anyways I think we are going to far down this road as it is lol. The main reason for the post in the thread was to laugh at the fact hey used a FoRS and a FiST for the article.
debating about the trans is really not something I wanted to do nor should we care we own FiSTs and if we owned DCT cars we all know we got the extended warranty and either got lucky or did not,

Nope, the 2011+ Fiesta never got a slush box in the Americas, I believe Euro or other markets may have gotten one with a 1.0 3 cyl in the later years before MKVIII came out.

 

[danbfree]

Agree to disagree. Have a good night.

OK, so just another opinion dump post from you with nothing to back up your claims, not surprised.

 

[Ford ST]

OK, so just another opinion dump post from you with nothing to back up your claims, not surprised.

And you being excessively rude as normal. Not surprised. I've had my Focus for 9 years now there's literally over a hundred thousand post on the DCT transmission. The friction of the clutches constantly changes with heat and the software has no ability to constantly compensate for this.

It's like you can't deal with the fact that I don't agree with you. I'm not the only person that has pointed this out by the way . I've had this discussion with two other people that when you are not agreed with you get your panties in a twist.


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[Ford ST]

Yes the seals leak. Yes the TCM dies.
Dry dual clutches are a bad idea ask BMW ask Ferrari. They both Used them and they both had a short life.
I don't lie I don't make up bullshit I'm on the site every day. if you believe it only has to do with the seals, and the transmission control module you're mistaken. The car has an issue with adjusting to the changes of friction based on the temperature of the clutch disc. Just like brake pads the friction is dependent on the temperature. The software is not smart enough to constantly adapt to the changes of friction.

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[Dpro]

Yes the seals leak. Yes the TCM dies.
Dry dual clutches are a bad idea ask BMW ask Ferrari. They both Used them and they both had a short life.
I don't lie I don't make up bullshit I'm on the site every day. if you believe it only has to do with the seals, and the transmission control module you're mistaken. The car has an issue with adjusting to the changes of friction based on the temperature of the clutch disc. Just like brake pads the friction is dependent on the temperature. The software is not smart enough to constantly adapt to the changes of friction.

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I can attest to this first hand. as I have had the hit gas and it revs up with the clutches literally slipping while rolling down the freeway on occasion. I also have had the infamous hill rollback in drive. Hell I had that happen in a Mazda 3 as well and supposedly they used a different trans with the same engine as the Focus.
I lived with it because I came from driving clutches and I was like ok this is strange its acting like a typical manual but roll with it . Why because the rest of the time it was smooth shifting and worked fine. I did check the service records and the previous owner had had to do the clutches once and the TCM. Hell I had the TCM happen. Ford fixed all of it for free no questions asked.
150k drivetrain warranty extension for that stuff so I was like cool perfect Lyft Uber car lol.

 

[Ford ST]

Absolutely believe it. Plenty of YouTube videos showing clutches that have never had one drop of oil on them. They simply burnt up. After all it's dry friction material.

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[danbfree]

Yes the seals leak. Yes the TCM dies.
Dry dual clutches are a bad idea ask BMW ask Ferrari. They both Used them and they both had a short life.
I don't lie I don't make up bullshit I'm on the site every day. if you believe it only has to do with the seals, and the transmission control module you're mistaken. The car has an issue with adjusting to the changes of friction based on the temperature of the clutch disc. Just like brake pads the friction is dependent on the temperature. The software is not smart enough to constantly adapt to the changes of friction.

No, thanks for additional info, I just think they *did* improve, and there is plenty of evidence to show this. They improved the seals, the clutches and the TCM, it's not a black and white world, I just expected a little more nuanced discussion, if you want to go into every thread and state opinions at least have the courage to debate to back up your facts, it's not rude to call out people for just shutting down.... Anyway, VW had early dry DCT's without these problems, it can be done, but wet clutches are inherently smoother and cooler too. I had a '13 Focus HB and got it with only 18k on it and it went out on me going up a hill in traffic and I almost got rear ended. It got rebuilt and by 36k, when I got rid of it, it needed a rebuild again. I just think Ford would have extended the warranty even on the late ones if they really are still *that* horrible, imagine how much shit they will have to re-live *again* if those late ones start completely bombing out?

 

[Ford ST]

Ford will end up paying billions of dollars in class action lawsuits for this. It may take a decade before it's done. The evidence that Ford knew there was so many issues is just unbelievable.
Also back in 2008 their attorneys advised them to never pursue this type of transmission do to the issue Volkswagen had with them.
I've read just about every article.

Also your version of rude, and my version of rude are very very different.
No one gets to dictate what other people find offensive and rude.

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[Intuit]

Several weeks ago a family member (with a base Fiesta auto-trans) reached out to me to warn me about the transmission in mine.

@BenSanta - As others have stated, need a clutchdisc. Yours is been worn to the point of slippage. They don't typically wear out in 90,000 miles unless there was some driver abuse. Had near 330k on a previous clutch disc before I sold the vehicle. I've noticed that ours slip at higher RPMs (smaller displacement engine + performance oriented gearing) so it's possible that ours may wear quicker.