S280 vs Stock Low RPM

[supercell]

This is probably a dumb question, but does the S280 still pull harder than stock at low rpm? My stock turbo blew and the S280 is the soonest availability for me.

 

[Jabbit]

Yeah.

 

[supercell]

/thread

 

[Ace96]

This is probably a dumb question, but does the S280 still pull harder than stock at low rpm? My stock turbo blew and the S280 is the soonest availability for me.

Think you need to define Low RPM. From what everyone has said, the S280 has the most potential and spools the quickest of the larger turbo options, almost as quick as hybrid turbo

 

[MO15Fiesta]

This is on 91 octane and i have since added 30% injectors and e30 fuel, but you get the point. this turbo makes power everywhere.

View: https://youtu.be/z7A_CeM3nyw

 

[supercell]

This is on 91 octane and i have since added 30% injectors and e30 fuel, but you get the point. this turbo makes power everywhere.

View: https://youtu.be/z7A_CeM3nyw

What other mods did you have for that vid?

 

[gtx3076]

Anytime I think maybe not the S280, I see something like this and then I’m like, definitely the S280.

 

[MO15Fiesta]

What other mods did you have for that vid?

the turbo, pro alloy intercooler, whoosh short ram intake, catless downpipe and milltek exhaust, ported exhaust manifold, that pretty well rounds out the list for notable power mods.

 

[cidsamuth]

This thread is full of fail.

Does the S280 spool from low RPM as fast as the stock turbo? Sure.

But, the S280 makes its money at higher RPMs; that’s where it goes nuts and creates all the HP. In other words, the difference between low and high RPM pull is more drastic because it makes so much more power up high, which is why people (erroneously) say it’s not good down low.

PS. Moving to an E mix (eg E40) allows the tuner to advance timing more down low and mitigate the above mentioned feeling.

 

[MO15Fiesta]

I don't usually floor it at this low of RPM, this is just to show the capability of how quick this turbo will spool.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJzFByhFL_Y

 

[cidsamuth]

I don't usually floor it at this low of RPM, this is just to show the capability of how quick this turbo will spool.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJzFByhFL_Y

It’s at 4k that it really starts kicking for me.

I agree you don’t want to be flooring it all the time from 2500 …. though my tuner specifically asked for 2500-7000 33rd gear WOT logs …. so I’ve had to do it like 80 times over the course of the custom 93 and E40 tune with aux fuel development, LOL.

 

[NateDawgST]

Yea from what I saw, peak torque at least on 93 pump is at 3700-3800. That feels more important to me than simply when it starts to make full boost since it’s not a real laggy turbo anyway.


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[gtx3076]

It’s at 4k that it really starts kicking for me.

I agree you don’t want to be flooring it all the time from 2500 …. though my tuner specifically asked for 2500-7000 33rd gear WOT logs …. so I’ve had to do it like 80 times over the course of the custom 93 and E40 tune with aux fuel development, LOL.

Flooring it at 2500 doesn’t mean you’re actually getting full throttle at 2500. The reputable tuners are going to ramp up boost safely.

 

[supercell]

I got the turbo and IC installed. It's pretty neat. It makes some cool, though quiet flutter/whoosh noises even with stock wastegate and bov. I temporarily tried it with my sorta aggressive stage 1 tune and you can spin the tires in every gear. Though now with my stage 3 base tune it feels slower than the stock turbo. Anyway, I'm having electrical issues now with the car shutting off while driving, so that's fun.

 

[Ace96]

I got the turbo and IC installed. It's pretty neat. It makes some cool, though quiet flutter/whoosh noises even with stock wastegate and bov. I temporarily tried it with my sorta aggressive stage 1 tune and you can spin the tires in every gear. Though now with my stage 3 base tune it feels slower than the stock turbo. Anyway, I'm having electrical issues now with the car shutting off while driving, so that's fun.

This is strange - Might need to check the tune hey. I felt a day and night difference between my stage 2 tune with hybrid vs stage 3 file. The map should in theorie be better overall

 

[HmongFiesta]

Look. For torque, spool time, earlier RPM, the stock BorgWarner has the TurboTechnics beat all day. ALL day. My e30 tune from Dizzy with USD stage 2 parts had over 300 lb-ft (per AP) but it sure as hell felt like it and the spool and ommpf was certainly prior to 3k RPM and pulled harder than the S280 from then to about 5K give or take but is the S280 faster and better overall? Yes. But from low RPM (to me, 4k RPM under), the stock BorgWarner just dominates. Perhaps for perspective, a stock 392 Scatpak couldn't shake me in street speeds with my e30 tune on the stock turbo. I was literally on his bumper and if he braked, I would've hit him closeness. S280 is decent, don't get me wrong, but unless it's a etune on it, the FiST isn't going to see over 300 lb-ft on the stock fuel system.

 

[Ludeem1]

Look. For torque, spool time, earlier RPM, the stock BorgWarner has the TurboTechnics beat all day. ALL day. My e30 tune from Dizzy with USD stage 2 parts had over 300 lb-ft (per AP) but it sure as hell felt like it and the spool and ommpf was certainly prior to 3k RPM and pulled harder than the S280 from then to about 5K give or take but is the S280 faster and better overall? Yes. But from low RPM (to me, 4k RPM under), the stock BorgWarner just dominates. Perhaps for perspective, a stock 392 Scatpak couldn't shake me in street speeds with my e30 tune on the stock turbo. I was literally on his bumper and if he braked, I would've hit him closeness. S280 is decent, don't get me wrong, but unless it's a etune on it, the FiST isn't going to see over 300 lb-ft on the stock fuel system.

What kind of tires you running ?

 

[Dpro]

Look. For torque, spool time, earlier RPM, the stock BorgWarner has the TurboTechnics beat all day. ALL day. My e30 tune from Dizzy with USD stage 2 parts had over 300 lb-ft (per AP) but it sure as hell felt like it and the spool and ommpf was certainly prior to 3k RPM and pulled harder than the S280 from then to about 5K give or take but is the S280 faster and better overall? Yes. But from low RPM (to me, 4k RPM under), the stock BorgWarner just dominates. Perhaps for perspective, a stock 392 Scatpak couldn't shake me in street speeds with my e30 tune on the stock turbo. I was literally on his bumper and if he braked, I would've hit him closeness. S280 is decent, don't get me wrong, but unless it's a etune on it, the FiST isn't going to see over 300 lb-ft on the stock fuel system.

My experience has been the car drives like a stock car down low with the S280 yes it does not spool as quickly as the stock turbo but it also does not run out of steam at 5k it pulls all the way to redline to the point of you can find your bouncing off the rev limiter if going for it.

I have driven a stock turboed car with a 91 tune vs my S280 and literally done a drive one car one day drive the other car the next. I found after owning my S280 powered car and then drivIng a stock turbo car for a few months I missed the mid range tq and pull of the S280. I could hit the gas on the stock turbo and sure initially it had some kick but that falls off very fast. It was depressing.
I eventually got used to it but the minute I stepped back into my S280 powered car it was like oh ya this is what I was missing this thing goes like stink.

If your not feeling the S280 maybe you need a better tuner.


Ya tune+ tuned here and he is the S280 master when it comes to tuning it. My car flies . I do not have problems getting off the light quickly with it and the minute I am at 3k and above it just pulls hard TQ steer yup more than the stock turbo would ever give you.

P.S. you cannot use E30 tunes for proper comparos because e30 is not available everywhere and oh I have run my S280 on E30 with a E30 tune it’s absolutely silly . It’s got a huge donkey kick down low that would shame the stock turbo and a hybrid . I would say if you are gonna compare a stock turbo on a E30 tune you need to compare that to a S280 on a E30 . Ya pushed 340wTQ on a E30 base tune for the S280. 😂

 

[HmongFiesta]

What kind of tires you running ?

Currently Federal RS-R 200 treadwear tires for my summer set-up.

 

[HmongFiesta]

My experience has been the car drives like a stock car down low with the S280 yes it does not spool as quickly as the stock turbo but it also does not run out of steam at 5k it pulls all the way to redline to the point of you can find your bouncing off the rev limiter if going for it.

I have driven a stock turboed car with a 91 tune vs my S280 and literally done a drive one car one day drive the other car the next. I found after owning my S280 powered car and then drivIng a stock turbo car for a few months I missed the mid range tq and pull of the S280. I could hit the gas on the stock turbo and sure initially it had some kick but that falls off very fast. It was depressing.
I eventually got used to it but the minute I stepped back into my S280 powered car it was like oh ya this is what I was missing this thing goes like stink.

If your not feeling the S280 maybe you need a better tuner.


Ya tune+ tuned here and he is the S280 master when it comes to tuning it. My car flies . I do not have problems getting off the light quickly with it and the minute I am at 3k and above it just pulls hard TQ steer yup more than the stock turbo would ever give you.

P.S. you cannot use E30 tunes for proper comparos because e30 is not available everywhere and oh I have run my S280 on E30 with a E30 tune it’s absolutely silly . It’s got a huge donkey kick down low that would shame the stock turbo and a hybrid . I would say if you are gonna compare a stock turbo on a E30 tune you need to compare that to a S280 on a E30 . Ya pushed 340wTQ on a E30 base tune for the S280. 😂

Probably want to reread my post in my comparison between the two. Do you need a hug?