OTS maps effect traction control? Drive with ESC disabled?

[claydough]

Apologies if this is a noob question:

Do OTS maps (COBB, etc) have any effect on the Traction control?

On a related note, does anyone regularly drive with the ESC disabled, street or track? I do it occasionally when I really want to grab the car by the scruff of the neck, just curious if others do as well or if people find the car faster with the ESC on or in sport mode.

Thanks in advance for any input.

 

[nickstewartroc]

I drive mine with sport mode on all the time, does get tiring having to hit the button everytime, but well worth it

 

[Siestarider]

I leave ESE on all the time on street, turn it all the way off on track.

When its all the way off, Torque Vector Control (TVC) and ABS are still enabled, neither of which can be turned off or changed by tuning.

My experience is that ESC all the way off is quicker on a dry track. Full on dry it will eat rear brakes faster than fronts.

I experimented with Sport on track a little early on, but found it too hard on brakes if you push hard. My guess is that Sport is great if you like highly spirited mountain driving and have enough sense to realize the car is correcting your small mistakes and looking out for you if you make a medium mistake. That is what I do in mountains.

With ESC fully off, if you really drive quickly, front brakes will still become overly hot (in my view) due to TVC.

I installed a Quaife LSD last year because TVC was affecting my ability to get power down from apex out on track. Best mod I have made. Car is much easier on front brakes now.

Most recent experiments with CMB brake ducts have convinced me stock front brakes, even with sticky tires (Rival S), are not a limiting factor on track times if kept cool.

Rain is a whole different matter. ESC on tracking, you will outrun almost everyone out there. I for one am probably not a good enough driver to beat a comparable fist on track with mine turned off. But if you do turn it off in the rain, the car is really fun to drive.

On street, I would never turn it off in rain, its too useful if someone around you makes a mistake and you need to react quickly and overreact to something, it can fix it.

 

[me32]

You still want turn off esc when you want to have fun.

 

[ogsigh]

I do my canyon runs full off I need my power

 

[me32]

I do my canyon runs full off I need my power

Same here.

 

[AzNightmare]

What does the ESC exactly do?? I thought all it does is help with the handling, not have any affect with power

 

[me32]

What does the ESC exactly do?? I thought all it does is help with the handling, not have any affect with power

It does limit power when it detects any type of slip. It helps keep the car controlable in all kind of condition

 

[AzNightmare]

It does limit power when it detects any type of slip. It helps keep the car controlable in all kind of condition

This much I get... so that's why I am a bit confused on how everyone is raving it as something that offers more power??

If your wheels are slipping, having more power just means your tires are spinning more. I'm still confused on the benefits of turning it off.

 

[dyn085]

Some wheel slip is ok, it doesn't always mean you're blowing your tires off. The ESC system is pretty intrusive for hard or spirited driving so shutting it off puts the control of relieving engine power at your discretion because you don't always need to pull power when ESC thinks you do. You can and will go faster in some situations by having it off just like you can and will be safer in some situations by having it on.

 

[me32]

Some wheel slip is ok, it doesn't always mean you're blowing your tires off. The ESC system is pretty intrusive for hard or spirited driving so shutting it off puts the control of relieving engine power at your discretion because you don't always need to pull power when ESC thinks you do. You can and will go faster in some situations by having it off just like you can and will be safer in some situations by having it on.

Dyn085 said it perfectly .

 

[Chrisklol]

Does anyone else feel like the car pulls power on a hard 1-2 shift? Like in my srt4 a hard 1-2 shift would never drop boost and just smoke the tires.
In my fiesta I feel like the car pauses power for like half a second then allows it to continue.

 

[me32]

Does anyone else feel like the car pulls power on a hard 1-2 shift? Like in my srt4 a hard 1-2 shift would never drop boost and just smoke the tires.
In my fiesta I feel like the car pauses power for like half a second then allows it to continue.

On the stock tune. You dont get full boost in 1st and 2nd gear.

 

[Chrisklol]

On the stock tune. You dont get full boost in 1st and 2nd gear.

I get this, but the car like literally feels like it electronically cuts the throttle. Like if I wide open throttle shift into second. The car falls on it's face for a split second then picks back up.

 

[dyn085]

I get this, but the car like literally feels like it electronically cuts the throttle. Like if I wide open throttle shift into second. The car falls on it's face for a split second then picks back up.

Letting ~20 psi of boost into an engine that's disconnected from the drivetrain, even for a split second, would not be a good idea. If it was then there would be no need for BOV's. It definitely closes the throttle, as it should.

 

[me32]

I get this, but the car like literally feels like it electronically cuts the throttle. Like if I wide open throttle shift into second. The car falls on it's face for a split second then picks back up.

Yes it does this to protect itself in the stock tune.

 

[NightWatchman]

If it does this to protect my car on stock tune then wouldn't an aftermarket tune harm the engine/drivetrain?

 

[dyn085]

If it does this to protect my car on stock tune then wouldn't an aftermarket tune harm the engine/drivetrain?

No because it does basically the same thing with a tune.

 

[Chrisklol]

No because it does basically the same thing with a tune.

What exactly do you think it is protecting? I have owned many turbo cars, none have had this feature where it cuts the throttle after a shift.

 

[dyn085]

The engine is what it's protecting.