New Toyota Supra

[Clint Beastwood]

True, not coming to the US. A possible missed opportunity. Curious how that will be priced and what's it's tuneability will be.

From following the subtitles, one of the engineers said the weakest engined one was for people that were going to rip out the engine and swap in a 2jz or whatever other engine anyways lol

 

[At The Gates]

It's hideous to me, like the new NSX it resembles almost nothing of its predecessor, but I at least don't despise the styling of the new NSX.

The front of it looks like it's popping a bulge and I will never not see it, looks stupid as hell.

The up charge that dealerships are tacking on is hilarious, and yeah I'm sure some delusional worshipers will buy it, but with the oncoming Vette that's around the same cost and will outperform this car in almost every way, I can't see a justification to buy it other than the name plate.

 

[LastMK7]

I agree with what others have said. I think Toyota really missed the mark when doing this with BMW. Not to say BMW doesn't make a great car, but if you are buying a Supra, you want JDM tuning performance. This is much more of a euro car, even down to the BMW interior bits.

Chris Harris's review in the recent Top Gear issue hit the nail on the head, basically he said the car suffers from an identity crisis.

 

[jfisch822]

I agree with what others have said. I think Toyota really missed the mark when doing this with BMW. Not to say BMW doesn't make a great car, but if you are buying a Supra, you want JDM tuning performance. This is much more of a euro car, even down to the BMW interior bits.

Chris Harris's review in the recent Top Gear issue hit the nail on the head, basically he said the car suffers from an identity crisis.

This is a good point. I'll have to watch Chris' review. I hadn't thought of it before but maybe this is actually partly what appeals to me...I think it's an interesting blend of JDM tuning and German engineering/refinement. Something you definitely don't see often and in my opinion it pulls it off well. Although I can definitely see why people would see this identity conflict as a downside.

There's definitely alot of european influence on our Ford FiST as well as FoST and FoRS and they're all popular worldwide, maybe it'll go well for cars like the Supra too?

 

[Clint Beastwood]

This is a good point. I'll have to watch Chris' review. I hadn't thought of it before but maybe this is actually partly what appeals to me...I think it's an interesting blend of JDM tuning and German engineering/refinement. Something you definitely don't see often and in my opinion it pulls it off well. Although I can definitely see why people would see this identity conflict as a downside.

There's definitely alot of european influence on our Ford FiST as well as FoST and FoRS and they're all popular worldwide, maybe it'll go well for cars like the Supra too?

I just.... Man, old supras are cars you can work on yourself, do lots of stuff to, the world is your oyster. This BWM based supra.. isn't. It's going to be like every other modern BMW, egregiously over-engineered to the point where the tiniest thing is crazy expensive to fix/replace and you're going to be nickeled and dimed to death. i.e. BMW is going to start charging an annual fee for using the Apple Carplay stuff that comes built into the head unit. It's already there, they don't have to *do* anything to keep it working, but they're going to charge you a fee to use it. BMW can kiss my ass.

 

[OneFord]

I just.... Man, old supras are cars you can work on yourself, do lots of stuff to, the world is your oyster. This BWM based supra.. isn't. It's going to be like every other modern BMW, egregiously over-engineered to the point where the tiniest thing is crazy expensive to fix/replace and you're going to be nickeled and dimed to death. i.e. BMW is going to start charging an annual fee for using the Apple Carplay stuff that comes built into the head unit. It's already there, they don't have to *do* anything to keep it working, but they're going to charge you a fee to use it. BMW can kiss my ass.

Hahaha right on man!

 

[Clint Beastwood]

Hahaha right on man!

not that I have strong feelings on the subject lol

I still like the first-gen 135's but I refuse to buy one, even though they're super cheap now. I'll hunt down a 240z or a porsche 914 instead lol.

 

[MRX330]

This topic has been delved into on another thread but who cares? I don’t think anyone cares it’s a funny looking Z4. That’s not the point. I had hoped Toyota would have introduced something fresh and outrageous into the marketplace. They didn’t. Oh well.

 

[LastMK7]

This is a good point. I'll have to watch Chris' review. I hadn't thought of it before but maybe this is actually partly what appeals to me...I think it's an interesting blend of JDM tuning and German engineering/refinement. Something you definitely don't see often and in my opinion it pulls it off well. Although I can definitely see why people would see this identity conflict as a downside.

There's definitely alot of european influence on our Ford FiST as well as FoST and FoRS and they're all popular worldwide, maybe it'll go well for cars like the Supra too?

The big difference there is that no one bought a Fiesta or Focus and expected american muscle under the hood.

 

[MRX330]

The big difference there is that no one bought a Fiesta or Focus and expected american muscle under the hood.

True, very true. Sometimes you just have to put it in yourself

 

[vwturbofam]

Yeah....NO! This specific one was said to be able to travel back in time and back to the future.

 

[jfisch822]

The big difference there is that no one bought a Fiesta or Focus and expected american muscle under the hood.

No I expected a very small turbo 4 and that's what I got, but it's very european even if it's made by an american company. I expect a supra to have a twin turbo straight six and that's what it's got.


And @vwturbofam (side note: weird name for a Fiesta forum), yeah I've seen some pretty ridiculous mark ups floating around, I think the highest I saw was $140k...outrageous

 

[vwturbofam]

No I expected a very small turbo 4 and that's what I got, but it's very european even if it's made by an american company. I expect a supra to have a twin turbo straight six and that's what it's got.


And @vwturbofam (side note: weird name for a Fiesta forum), yeah I've seen some pretty ridiculous mark ups floating around, I think the highest I saw was $140k...outrageous

The price was 87k$ the first time I checked on it, it just changed today. Somehow in the past 24 Hrs, it miraculously has gotten faster and better handling, thus requiring the higher cost.

(VWTURBOFAM name is what I use on all the forums I belong to - got 3 VW turbo cars, the FiST, and an EVOX).

 

[M-Sport fan]

I don't find the previous generation Supra to be "lust-worthy". Is it cool? Heck yeah and I respect it thoroughly. But I just don't see the obsession. Sure it can make a ton of power. But in stock form it's quite boring (reference I have a friend with one and I've driven it in autocross). I've also ridden in a 700hp Supra and it was great but it's still not some holy grail of cars. Now go ahead and burn me at the stake...lol

AGREED!

I did not think that the MKIV was "The most beautiful thing ever to be on the roads" like all of it's fanboyz did just because it could make stupid power on an unbuilt factory bottom end (they 'transferred' beauty onto it because of this fact), nor was it the best handling thing out there either (kind of like the 4 wheel version of a Hyabusa ).

Regardless of this new version's 'purity' to the 'sacred' Supra nameplate, it most certainly WILL BE much more tossable than the hefty last version.

 

[Ford ST]

The only way I would end up with one is if I won a huge Lotto jackpot. It would go good with a car collection.

Now the car itself here's the issue I have the reason to buy a Japanese performance car especially with Toyota in it's name is reliability, dependability, and durability. Does BMW offer any of those three nope they have terrible reliability especially with their performance line especially the m5. Too much of this car is a BMW. I've watched the videos where they said Toyota went through it and approved of the parts. Well we'll just have to wait and see. It's going to be interesting for the Toyota techs to work on this, it's going to be like a different planet for them.

I would take the new Corvette all day long.
The Toyota I would like to have is a Lexus LC 500. If I was a rich man I would have one. Japanese naturally aspirated V8 sounds amazing, luxurious, perfect grand touring car.


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[M-Sport fan]

This is a good point. I'll have to watch Chris' review. I hadn't thought of it before but maybe this is actually partly what appeals to me...I think it's an interesting blend of JDM tuning and German engineering/refinement.

Something most of the JDM worshiperz seem to forget is that German engineers had a big hand in the power plant of, and actually supplied the 'indestructible' gearbox ( A Getrag made 6 speed, the same manufacturer who built the IB6 in our cars) for the MKIV TT.

 

[Woods247]

It's a cool car. I'd rather have a M2 or C8 though. I'm a Toyota guy too but this isn't my kind of Toyota.

 

[MRX330]

Auto paddle
Edit: No stick shift no purchase

 

[Se7eN]

Here's the thing about it. It's still an inline 6cil and still turbo. That BMW engine has pushed about 700whp just about without having to forge the internals, think about it. The 2JZ was pretty reliable up to about maybe 800whp before you had do to alot of stuff to it (that being with the manual trans). The Auto would hold about 600 before it took a crap and you had to swap in your trucks 4L80e in order to keep an overdrive in the thing.

I don't really like the car, but i don't really hate it. Nostalgia fills the air in most cases due to "pedigree". First sports fast car I was ever in was a buddy's Supra and at the time it didn't really have much power.

PS. Face it, the Stick is dying out and there is nothing we can do to stop that from happening. Buttons and Paddles are our near future.

 

[MRX330]

Here's the thing about it. It's still an inline 6cil and still turbo. That BMW engine has pushed about 700whp just about without having to forge the internals, think about it. The 2JZ was pretty reliable up to about maybe 800whp before you had do to alot of stuff to it (that being with the manual trans). The Auto would hold about 600 before it took a crap and you had to swap in your trucks 4L80e in order to keep an overdrive in the thing.

I don't really like the car, but i don't really hate it. Nostalgia fills the air in most cases due to "pedigree". First sports fast car I was ever in was a buddy's Supra and at the time it didn't really have much power.

PS. Face it, the Stick is dying out and there is nothing we can do to stop that from happening. Buttons and Paddles are our near future.

That is why I made my car and will continue to make it as analog as possible. They techno the fun out driving. This is the precursor to not having control over anything. Unless we do something about it. Trump 2020