I have a set of hypergrams 17x8 on stock springs and shocks. they do not rub. lowering it any at all will, i'm pretty positive, result in rubbing when the wheel is turned. rubbing in the rear also if dropped much if any from what i can see. my fender liners are half gone already from autocross wheels, but you'll be wanting 16's at most, and even then if you're dropped more than an inch you're looking at a camber kit or something.