Oh I'm with you completely I was saying that I did not see a huge difference in the numbers like someone else in here was indicating. They were basically saying the difference in the op of that thread and the op of this threads numbers were way different and was asking why I was saying I didn't see all that big of a discrepancy.
Ahh, so you were referring to me. I was confused by what you were saying too.
The op picked up almost 15 HP and 38-39 torque with his 91 tune. The op in the thread about this tune picked up 18 whp and 65 wtq on Livernois dyno and that was with a dyno tune on 93. I can see why the numbers are a little different I just don't see this huge difference in power gained somone else in here mentioned am I missing something here?
Yes, in my opinion, you're missing something. You're referring to only the peak to peak gain difference. The biggest difference that I'm mainly referring to is in the difference between the under the curve gains between this one and the other one. Although, even the peak to peak gain differences in tq is decent at 25 ft/lb. The under the curve gains in the original car tuned at LMS on a dyno was 41hp and 81tq. The OP here in this thread only got less than HALF of that!
Now, a couple of other things I want to add. I'm not sure why you are seemingly getting defensive of LMS for my questions and observations. Ever since I came across that Livernois tune thread, I've been highly intrigued and 99% leaning towards Livernois over Cobb's AP for tuning. I would actually have the Livernois tuning device that Offthewall purchased but I had waited until I actually purchased my FiST, which was enough time for offthewall to snatch it away from me lol (no animosity towards offthewall at all by the way...it's my own fault).
The lack of dyno tune, the lack of 93 octane makes a little bit of a difference but according to LMS, not that much at all, which is why I asked LMS on their thoughts on the OP's dyno. The OP and I believe LMS both mentioned the limited time between pulls and the heatsoak from having a stock IC. OK, that pretty much satisfied me as an answer to my question (although, the original LMS tune was supposingly also completely stock, with the stock IC, so I guess the main difference might have been the limited time between pulls). Different parts of the country where one is hotter than the other probably contributes much to the difference as well.
Yes, it's still a big difference for just a tune for the OP of this thread. It's awesome. But my honest questions to LMS is because they claim "Gains of over 41hp and 81tq on your otherwise stock vehicle". I think I asked a legitimate question in my mind. The couple of others who have dynoed their cars didn't get quite the gains as the original car either. That's why I also asked about dyno tuning to see if that would give the best chance of getting close to the original car's gains.
Again, I agree this seems to be the best option in tuning, it seems like it may even be on par with custom tuning (does everyone feel that's true?). LMS looks to be like 8 hours away. I'm even still thinking about going there and getting it dyno tuned anyway just to squeeze some more out of it.
