"epa-declares-war-against-makers-of-emissions-defeat-devices"

[Ford ST]

We’re locked out of our car’s software now. Aftermarket companies provide some additional access but generally speaking very little about serviceability should change. Maintenance should be more straightforward, less fluids, less wear components since electric motors are vastly more simplified compared to a gasoline engine.


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True you are right but I just believe the software problem could get worse. Instead of a $5,000 scan tool it will be a $25,000 scan tool. When I was in automotive School a new Firestone had opened up. One of the guys went to work there and a fairly new Volkswagen Passat I don't know why was getting a rear brake job. They had to have it towed to the dealership because they didn't realize it required a scan tool to retract the caliper piston. They didn't have the necessary software to do it at the time.
I wish I was optimistic but I'm not.

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[jmrtsus]

That's very well said.
That's actually my concern with electric cars, It's going to create a monopoly. No one's going to be able to work on them, because they're going to be software locked out.
Of course some people believe they have no maintenance that may be partially true. They still have tires, ball joints, tie rods, rack and pinions etc. With all the torque they make they're going to be devouring some tires with a heavy foot.

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No local service shop will be affected, the laws have not changed. They do nothing that will mess with the EPA regs. Small tuners will not buy any equipment because they will not be certified by the EPA to alter the factory setting like they do now illegally. That is why the EPA is coming for them. The only "legal" FiST tune is still the Mountune MP215 for the applicable years '14 to '16 I believe. Cobb, Stratified and such will simply stop selling tunes. Other aftermarket stuff will also disappear like Aux Fuel and turbo kits. There will be a healthy illegal market for these tunes and illegal parts for those that want them. Used ST's that are modded will become rare on used car lots as many states require a car to be EPA clean for them to be sold by a commercial lot. Some states like Cali have restrictive laws but very little enforcement. All in all if you want illegal mods they will still be available on the black market in used parts. As I have with my FiST I will stay with legal parts and on our Mustang if we wanted we could go to over 700 Hp legally. Not that I think we need more than 460 Hp but the legal option is there for those that do via your Ford dealer or ASE shop.

 

[Ford ST]

No local service shop will be affected, the laws have not changed. They do nothing that will mess with the EPA regs. Small tuners will not buy any equipment because they will not be certified by the EPA to alter the factory setting like they do now illegally. That is why the EPA is coming for them. The only "legal" FiST tune is still the Mountune MP215 for the applicable years '14 to '16 I believe. Cobb, Stratified and such will simply stop selling tunes. Other aftermarket stuff will also disappear like Aux Fuel and turbo kits. There will be a healthy illegal market for these tunes and illegal parts for those that want them. Used ST's that are modded will become rare on used car lots as many states require a car to be EPA clean for them to be sold by a commercial lot. Some states like Cali have restrictive laws but very little enforcement. All in all if you want illegal mods they will still be available on the black market in used parts. As I have with my FiST I will stay with legal parts and on our Mustang if we wanted we could go to over 700 Hp legally. Not that I think we need more than 460 Hp but the legal option is there for those that do via your Ford dealer or ASE shop.

Agree to disagree I believe in my opinion you are over reading it. I've been reading articles like this for years I know you're not a truck person at all, but this has to do with diesel trucks. The systems on diesel trucks are set up where if they don't work the truck does not operate. If you have an issue with the DEF fluid or the particulate filter system it can lock the vehicle at 5 miles an hour making the vehicle a giant paper weight. Of course people want to delete this for financial reasons. The particulate filters can be over $5,000. We have trucks broke down every week because of this at work.
I guarantee you five years from now I'll bet you money how about $1,000 that you will still be able to get a tune from the exact same companies on this car.
I live in North Carolina and always will not California not worried. North Carolina laws allow car dealership to basically do any damn thing they want unfortunately. Very pro-business anti-consumer state. You see the thing is you care about every little law I don't. I pay taxes lots and I believe I should have a say so that's my opinion I can have that opinion agree to disagree. I have always believed people should be able to vote on the laws not just vote for a person.

Not trying to be a asshole but your are dead wrong. You must not understand how lobbying works, but I know that you do. Most old men are about freedom I guess not you. I wonder what other things you think the government should restrict/ban.


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[Ford ST]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31541...to-protect-americans-right-to-build-race-cars

Has anybody actually read this part of the article you know the part about the bill they are trying to pass that makes it legal to do whatever you damn well please with your car as long as it's a track car. Basically meaning you'll be able to get whatever parts you still want ;-) if you know what I'm saying.

I find most people read the headlines of stuff and don't actually do a full in-depth read.
If you read this article you will realize you have nothing to be worried about it's a co-sponsored bill.

"The Speciality Equipment Market Association (SEMA), which represents the $44.6-billion aftermarket parts industry, formally endorsed the bill on Tuesday."
You see we call this screw you money. This is America money makes every decision..


"Buying fewer cheap goods made overseas that get shipped here on supertankers would do much more to slow climate change than outlawing Lancia-swapped Ladas."

Bingo like it was mentioned before cars are not the big problem.
Just read the article.
I apologize if I seem a little fired up just spent two hours weight lifting. My hormones are up.

To make up for it here is a funny video.

View: https://youtu.be/c9Q72qYWxKQ



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[CrystalWhite]

Agree to disagree I believe in my opinion you are over reading it. I've been reading articles like this for years I know you're not a truck person at all, but this has to do with diesel trucks. The systems on diesel trucks are set up where if they don't work the truck does not operate. If you have an issue with the DEF fluid or the particulate filter system it can lock the vehicle at 5 miles an hour making the vehicle a giant paper weight. Of course people want to delete this for financial reasons. The particulate filters can be over $5,000. We have trucks broke down every week because of this at work.
I guarantee you five years from now I'll bet you money how about $1,000 that you will still be able to get a tune from the exact same companies on this car.
I live in North Carolina and always will not California not worried. North Carolina laws allow car dealership to basically do any damn thing they want unfortunately. Very pro-business anti-consumer state. You see the thing is you care about every little law I don't. I pay taxes lots and I believe I should have a say so that's my opinion I can have that opinion agree to disagree. I have always believed people should be able to vote on the laws not just vote for a person.

Not trying to be a asshole but your are dead wrong. You must not understand how lobbying works, but I know that you do. Most old men are about freedom I guess not you. I wonder what other things you think the government should restrict/ban.


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IIRC this guy talks about his "legally" modified ST every chance he gets and in one thread went as far to say how much more valuable his example will be because people in the future wont want cars without EPA certified mods, he is a little more than biased towards emissions regulations.

People that are concerned about automobile pollution in North America need to expand their worldview and visit some countries which arent anywhere near as stringent. I have been to the Philippines and sat in rush hour Traffic in Manila and felt like i was going to pass out from all the fumes. Diesel trucks with no pollution control, new vehicles sold with miminal makes for a very fun experience. Coming home and blowing your nose would reveal black mucus. Never in my life have I ever experienced something like that in North America and part of that reason is due to our regulations. I feel like if anything we have enough laws in place and definitely do not need any more. The ever increasing regulations are strangling automotive engine design and with the invention of drive by wire we get wonderful things such as rev hang. Before my ST i had a 2017 WRX that drove terrible due to the pollution control garbage that made the car hang revs for days, pull timing because of aggressive EGR operation, and by things such as tumble generating valves placed in the intake manifold which cause the air to swirl when running cold, reducing emissions ever so slightly. It also takes up 10 PERCENT OF YOUR INTAKE PLENUM VOLUME PERMANENTLY. When you look at the damage done by places like Canada and the US compared to China, India and the Philippines where they have barely any pollution legislation it is unfair and rediculous to expect first world countries to shoulder the entire worlds pollution burden. I sold the WRX at a loss because i couldn't stand driving it anymore.

As someone who just received a catless downpipe, my excuse is that I live in a relatively rural area compared to the lower mainland and my ST is a weekend toy at this point that rarely gets driven, and if it does its all highway miles commuting around Vancouver Island. I dont have any emissions inspections around here so no worries about that.

 

[Ford ST]

IIRC this guy talks about his "legally" modified ST every chance he gets and in one thread went as far to say how much more valuable his example will be because people in the future wont want cars without EPA certified mods, he is a little more than biased towards emissions regulations. [emoji38]

People that are concerned about automobile pollution in North America need to expand their worldview and visit some countries which arent anywhere near as stringent. I have been to the Philippines and sat in rush hour Traffic in Manila and felt like i was going to pass out from all the fumes. Diesel trucks with no pollution control, new vehicles sold with miminal makes for a very fun experience. Coming home and blowing your nose would reveal black mucus. Never in my life have I ever experienced something like that in North America and part of that reason is due to our regulations. I feel like if anything we have enough laws in place and definitely do not need any more. The ever increasing regulations are strangling automotive engine design and with the invention of drive by wire we get wonderful things such as rev hang. Before my ST i had a 2017 WRX that drove terrible due to the pollution control garbage that made the car hang revs for days, pull timing because of aggressive EGR operation, and by things such as tumble generating valves placed in the intake manifold which cause the air to swirl when running cold, reducing emissions ever so slightly. It also takes up 10 PERCENT OF YOUR INTAKE PLENUM VOLUME PERMANENTLY. When you look at the damage done by places like Canada and the US compared to China, India and the Philippines where they have barely any pollution legislation it is unfair and rediculous to expect first world countries to shoulder the entire worlds pollution burden. I sold the WRX at a loss because i couldn't stand driving it anymore.

As someone who just received a catless downpipe, my excuse is that I live in a relatively rural area compared to the lower mainland and my ST is a weekend toy at this point that rarely gets driven, and if it does its all highway miles commuting around Vancouver Island. I dont have any emissions inspections around here so no worries about that.

This is a great comment thank you.
He worked in the prison system he is obsessed with control. He thinks his 460 horsepower cookie cutter based off a rental car Mustang is a damn supercar. Sorry to anybody but no matter what Mustang you buy it's based off the $20,000 rental car version shares many of the same parts. Not just my opinion. Just like the fiesta ST does with its cheap ass version.
It's definitely not the job of Canada or America to burden all the problems in the world. India and China need to work on birth control. Can't really complain about Canada the population is very low compared to third world countries.

I live in North Carolina we do have inspections but South Carolina has zero completely zero inspections.

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[CrystalWhite]

This is a great comment thank you.
He worked in the prison system he is obsessed with control. He thinks his 460 horsepower cookie cutter based off a rental car Mustang is a damn supercar.
It's definitely not the job of Canada or America to burden all the problems in the world. India and China need to work on birth control. Can't really complain about Canada the population is very low compared to third world countries.

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We have a mentally challenged Prime Minister who just hit us with a carbon tax. Its infuriating once you look at Canadas global pollution footprint. Yet another money grab by climate change lunatics who are interested in guaranteeing their job position and influence over others.

 

[Ford ST]

We have a mentally challenged Prime Minister who just hit us with a carbon tax. Its infuriating once you look at Canadas global pollution footprint. Yet another money grab by climate change lunatics who are interested in guaranteeing their job position and influence over others.

Your prime minister is a wacko. I don't live there so I don't know enough to say anything but from this side he seems like a entitled douchebag who is weak.

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[CrystalWhite]

Your prime minister is a wacko. I don't live there so I don't know enough to say anything but from this side he seems like a entitled douchebag who is weak.

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He is weak alright. He is also a post modern socialist who loves giving our money away to foreign countries while our people become ever more indebted and poor. Make sure to vote for Trump!

 

[Ford ST]

I want to clarify I care about the environment, but I have always believed the problem is we have too many people. We need to take a zero off the end.
I don't mean kill people so chill birth control you know it works. This mostly concerns China and India.
I do not and will not have kids so not being a hypocrite. My dogs are also rescues I don't believe in buying animals. To many don't have a home.

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[Ford ST]

He is weak alright. He is also a post modern socialist who loves giving our money away to foreign countries while our people become ever more indebted and poor. Make sure to vote for Trump!

I try to stay out of politics on here because it just goes down the road of crap every time. I hate we're so divided I wish we could you know be some what friendly towards each other. So the only thing I will say is I definitely understand your frustrations.

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[Ford ST]

Y'all have a good night. We all have beliefs I'm just okay with saying my beliefs even if you believe I'm crazy.
My Wife and friends love me for it.

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[jmrtsus]

Agree to disagree I believe in my opinion you are over reading it. I've been reading articles like this for years I know you're not a truck person at all, but this has to do with diesel trucks. The systems on diesel trucks are set up where if they don't work the truck does not operate. If you have an issue with the DEF fluid or the particulate filter system it can lock the vehicle at 5 miles an hour making the vehicle a giant paper weight.
I guarantee you five years from now I'll bet you money how about $1,000 that you will still be able to get a tune from the exact same companies on this car.
I live in North Carolina and always will not California not worried.


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We will see but the article clearly states the are not focusing on diesel alone. BTW, I only bet on LSU Football, LOL! Got rich this year!

"This threat is not unique to one party, however, as any tuning outlet that offers emissions-defeating components—like EGR, DPF, and catalytic converter deletes—or software could be subject to punishment from the EPA. And while the agency isn't solely coming down on businesses that focus on diesel performance, these are sometimes the most flagrant violators in the eyes of the EPA as the vehicles they work with are often heavier polluters of NOx and particulate matter."

Agree to disagree I believe in my opinion you are over reading it. I've been reading articles like this for years I know you're not a truck person at all, but this has to do with diesel trucks. The systems on diesel trucks are set up where if they don't work the truck does not operate. If you have an issue with the DEF fluid or the particulate filter system it can lock the vehicle at 5 miles an hour making the vehicle a giant paper weight.
I guarantee you five years from now I'll bet you money how about $1,000 that you will still be able to get a tune from the exact same companies on this car.
I live in North Carolina and always will not California not worried. North Carolina laws allow car dealership to basically do any damn thing they want unfortunately. Very pro-business anti-consumer state. You see the thing is you care about every little law I don't. I pay taxes lots and I believe I should have a say so that's my opinion I can have that opinion agree to disagree. I have always believed people should be able to vote on the laws not just vote for a person. I was right about the marijuana industry being accepted. I was right about the plant based meat movment. I'm also right about this. I read and I read.

Not trying to be a asshole but your are dead wrong. You must not understand how lobbying works, but I know that you do. Most old men are about freedom I guess not you. I wonder what other things you think the government should restrict/ban.


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There are no new laws involved here.......And I was always a supporter of clean air. I think the Feds should end Cali's special cars and their exemption from the M-M Act. Seems stupid one State does not have to follow a Federal Act. And I believe it will happen in a few years. That is the main reason I would never live there. Have no clue about what freedoms you are talking about though.

You have all the freedom to break all the laws you want. But when you break laws that affect me and others you must be willing to accept the consequences of that choice. That includes polluting our air or water. People that are willing to deal with it helped make my second career lucrative for me and some of my family and friends. All of my "customers" also did not believe they should have to follow laws. Prisons employ many, many people in this country due to people exercising their "right" to break laws. Only difference was they did not believe they could not murder, rob and rape others if they wanted to do so. And yes I do break laws especially speed laws, and I was a "pirate" for a while importing kilo's of Jamaican agricultural products.........As to "freedoms" fought for by me and my peers was the 18 year old vote, the end of the draft plus the clean air act! I served during the Vietnam era but was fortunate enough to not spend time there. But we grew up knowing our turn was coming and we could not even vote for the man that could send me to war. My generation is far removed from the views of many today, and I am lucky enough to be retired comfortably and answer to no one. Wrench on my friend, we are different and that is how it should be. You are more like me than you think, hell my youngest son makes a living building Hi-Po GM LS engines that he builds, sells and installs. And none are street legal! I build the heads for him when he gets behind. I am not very happy that he has chosen this path but I understand that he makes damn good money doing it and it is his choice. I also understand their is very little profit in building stock engines. So it is my choice to keep my cars legal, but hard for me to hate or condemn those that don't do that.

 

[PunkST]

All I'm saying is it all starts somewhere....Then it just grows and grows. Just wait until the electric phase comes and people start giving you grief about driving gas.

Thats already here. I get grief for not owning a hybrid with certain circles im a part of.

It also doesnt help that you have really dumb people in the diesel scene that think a giant ass cloud means its making power or th they are somehow cooler for having a trashcan sized stack in the bed of their shitbox duramax.

 

[DoomsdayMelody]

Agree to disagree I believe in my opinion you are over reading it. I've been reading articles like this for years I know you're not a truck person at all, but this has to do with diesel trucks. The systems on diesel trucks are set up where if they don't work the truck does not operate. If you have an issue with the DEF fluid or the particulate filter system it can lock the vehicle at 5 miles an hour making the vehicle a giant paper weight. Of course people want to delete this for financial reasons. The particulate filters can be over $5,000. We have trucks broke down every week because of this at work.
I guarantee you five years from now I'll bet you money how about $1,000 that you will still be able to get a tune from the exact same companies on this car.
I live in North Carolina and always will not California not worried. North Carolina laws allow car dealership to basically do any damn thing they want unfortunately. Very pro-business anti-consumer state. You see the thing is you care about every little law I don't. I pay taxes lots and I believe I should have a say so that's my opinion I can have that opinion agree to disagree. I have always believed people should be able to vote on the laws not just vote for a person.

Not trying to be a asshole but your are dead wrong. You must not understand how lobbying works, but I know that you do. Most old men are about freedom I guess not you. I wonder what other things you think the government should restrict/ban.


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Spent 7 years in the heavy equipment industry as a wrench, very familiar with tier IV final emissions systems on modern Diesel engines. Let me tell you if you manage to put an on-road Diesel engine in limp mode it’s because you were flagrantly ignoring several regen events. You have to be stupid or in just a terribly maintained truck for it to happen. Particulate filters are indeed expensive, but will generally last 100k miles or more IF you allow the regeneration cycles to happen on schedule. The minute you start overriding them regularly is when you see issues, frankly I have little sympathy for people that plug and then subsequently ruin their DPF, generally speaking the control modules on the engine will handle it with little issue, it’s just something you have to plan for, like keeping the DEF tank topped off.

Technically most aftermarket tunes are already illegal. This legislation will do little to companies like Cobb because all they have to include is an asterisk with the “this is intended for off road use only” warning and suddenly they can sell it since they have warned the customer that it isn’t road legal. Pretty much any engine mod you do to the FiST outside of the MP215 has this disclaimer. So I don’t see how any of this would have a serious effect on the aftermarket scene.


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[DoomsdayMelody]

Thats already here. I get grief for not owning a hybrid with certain circles im a part of.

It also doesnt help that you have really dumb people in the diesel scene that think a giant ass cloud means its making power or th they are somehow cooler for having a trashcan sized stack in the bed of their shitbox duramax.

A dark cloud is just unburnt fuel. It literally means your wasting fuel to be dumb. Now, when you have an engine that has dark smoke on idle but it clears once the turbo spools, that’s pretty much peak performance.


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[jeffreylyon]

No local service shop will be affected, the laws have not changed. They do nothing that will mess with the EPA regs. Small tuners will not buy any equipment because they will not be certified by the EPA to alter the factory setting like they do now illegally. That is why the EPA is coming for them. The only "legal" FiST tune is still the Mountune MP215 for the applicable years '14 to '16 I believe. Cobb, Stratified and such will simply stop selling tunes. Other aftermarket stuff will also disappear like Aux Fuel and turbo kits. There will be a healthy illegal market for these tunes and illegal parts for those that want them. Used ST's that are modded will become rare on used car lots as many states require a car to be EPA clean for them to be sold by a commercial lot. Some states like Cali have restrictive laws but very little enforcement. All in all if you want illegal mods they will still be available on the black market in used parts. As I have with my FiST I will stay with legal parts and on our Mustang if we wanted we could go to over 700 Hp legally. Not that I think we need more than 460 Hp but the legal option is there for those that do via your Ford dealer or ASE shop.

Almost all of this is speculative and is not possible under current regulation. That was my point earlier: I’d rather current regulations be more aggressively enforced than new regulation be introduced.

As others have said, I don’t think that it’s the Clean Air Act thats going to do in the performance aftermarket (and many independent repair shops), it‘s the slow march to electrification that will.

 

[Ford ST]

Spent 7 years in the heavy equipment industry as a wrench, very familiar with tier IV final emissions systems on modern Diesel engines. Let me tell you if you manage to put an on-road Diesel engine in limp mode it’s because you were flagrantly ignoring several regen events. You have to be stupid or in just a terribly maintained truck for it to happen. Particulate filters are indeed expensive, but will generally last 100k miles or more IF you allow the regeneration cycles to happen on schedule. The minute you start overriding them regularly is when you see issues, frankly I have little sympathy for people that plug and then subsequently ruin their DPF, generally speaking the control modules on the engine will handle it with little issue, it’s just something you have to plan for, like keeping the DEF tank topped off.

Technically most aftermarket tunes are already illegal. This legislation will do little to companies like Cobb because all they have to include is an asterisk with the “this is intended for off road use only” warning and suddenly they can sell it since they have warned the customer that it isn’t road legal. Pretty much any engine mod you do to the FiST outside of the MP215 has this disclaimer. So I don’t see how any of this would have a serious effect on the aftermarket scene.


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I work in sanitation and the peterbilts have huge issues. So do the Mack trucks. That's why we are slowly moving to autocar.
I drive a Isuzu it's much more reliable than the peterbilts but it still has issues.
I've had to have my trucks filter removed and cleaned three times in 70,000 miles because it gets to the point it just regens literally every hour. DEF fluid lines break in the landfill. I can't help how the trucks were made I'm telling you this is what we experience even with brand new equipment.
Don't know what to tell you.
Don't have an override mode. I know emergency equipment has an override button, or sanitation trucks do not.
So yes I guess us by picking up trash and going to the landfill we're idiots and it's our fault.


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[Ford ST]

We will see but the article clearly states the are not focusing on diesel alone. BTW, I only bet on LSU Football, LOL! Got rich this year!

"This threat is not unique to one party, however, as any tuning outlet that offers emissions-defeating components—like EGR, DPF, and catalytic converter deletes—or software could be subject to punishment from the EPA. And while the agency isn't solely coming down on businesses that focus on diesel performance, these are sometimes the most flagrant violators in the eyes of the EPA as the vehicles they work with are often heavier polluters of NOx and particulate matter."

There are no new laws involved here.......And I was always a supporter of clean air. I think the Feds should end Cali's special cars and their exemption from the M-M Act. Seems stupid one State does not have to follow a Federal Act. And I believe it will happen in a few years. That is the main reason I would never live there. Have no clue about what freedoms you are talking about though.

You have all the freedom to break all the laws you want. But when you break laws that affect me and others you must be willing to accept the consequences of that choice. That includes polluting our air or water. People that are willing to deal with it helped make my second career lucrative for me and some of my family and friends. All of my "customers" also did not believe they should have to follow laws. Prisons employ many, many people in this country due to people exercising their "right" to break laws. Only difference was they did not believe they could not murder, rob and rape others if they wanted to do so. And yes I do break laws especially speed laws, and I was a "pirate" for a while importing kilo's of Jamaican agricultural products.........As to "freedoms" fought for by me and my peers was the 18 year old vote, the end of the draft plus the clean air act! I served during the Vietnam era but was fortunate enough to not spend time there. But we grew up knowing our turn was coming and we could not even vote for the man that could send me to war. My generation is far removed from the views of many today, and I am lucky enough to be retired comfortably and answer to no one. Wrench on my friend, we are different and that is how it should be. You are more like me than you think, hell my youngest son makes a living building Hi-Po GM LS engines that he builds, sells and installs. And none are street legal! I build the heads for him when he gets behind. I am not very happy that he has chosen this path but I understand that he makes damn good money doing it and it is his choice. I also understand their is very little profit in building stock engines. So it is my choice to keep my cars legal, but hard for me to hate or condemn those that don't do that.

I appreciate the comment you are right I am like you somewhat. I have an opinion and I'm not afraid to discuss it. I'm okay with having a argument and moving on. We can also have a disagreement without throwing four letter words which is good. I can't bet on football never been into sports. I don't know my head from my ass..


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Spent 7 years in the heavy equipment industry as a wrench, very familiar with tier IV final emissions systems on modern Diesel engines. Let me tell you if you manage to put an on-road Diesel engine in limp mode it’s because you were flagrantly ignoring several regen events. You have to be stupid or in just a terribly maintained truck for it to happen. Particulate filters are indeed expensive, but will generally last 100k miles or more IF you allow the regeneration cycles to happen on schedule. The minute you start overriding them regularly is when you see issues, frankly I have little sympathy for people that plug and then subsequently ruin their DPF, generally speaking the control modules on the engine will handle it with little issue, it’s just something you have to plan for, like keeping the DEF tank topped off.

Technically most aftermarket tunes are already illegal. This legislation will do little to companies like Cobb because all they have to include is an asterisk with the “this is intended for off road use only” warning and suddenly they can sell it since they have warned the customer that it isn’t road legal. Pretty much any engine mod you do to the FiST outside of the MP215 has this disclaimer. So I don’t see how any of this would have a serious effect on the aftermarket scene.


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Now if you have any advice you can give me I will listen.
When my truck was newer it would do a regen after about 14 gallons of fuel. It got to the point it would do 2 regens after 14 gallons. Then it gets to the point of doing three. After that the truck basically becomes unusable because you can't run the PTO it has to be sent off filter removed and cleaned out. My truck is a Isuzu. I have always allowed my truck to regen. like I said if you can't use the PTO you kind of have to let it. I've never let my truck get low on DEF fluid. Most of the guys put DEF fluid in everyday.

Now peterbilts are much worse they will need to do a regen but they won't do it. You hit the button to make it still won't do it. It comes to the point of having to do a forced burn.
Please explain to me what we are doing wrong. I can't help what the sanitation industry does to trucks it's stop go stop go idle up idle down all day.








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