Interesting read on carbon build up prevention

[XuperXero]

Came across this today. Thought I'd share. I'm really wondering about this BG MOA product. The guy seems to heavily favor it.

http://jalopnik.com/this-is-what-happens-when-you-dont-drive-your-v10-audi-1691976274

 

[jaynometry]

MOA stands for Motor Oil Additive. It's basically a cleaner "to prevent sludge" or carbon in the case of your link. They've been around for years and you know what, I've never heard anyone say anything bad about them. Even in bobistheoilguy.

 

[BeansNCornbread]

I wouldn't use it. MOA has a lot of Calcium from VOAs (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1875755/1) done and Calcium has been found to be one of the major elements making up the intake valve deposits in DI. Its also one of the elements in oil chemistries being reduced to mitigate SAPS.

 

[MMMTRBO]

I talked to a BG Rep and he suggested NOT using the MOA in DI cars. Mostly because it's not necessary if you're using a high quality oil (according to him). He did however strongly recommend 44k (PN 208) and their EPR (PN 109) for best results.

With that said BG themselves did use their MOA in their 2010 Taurus SHO (TT V6 DI EB) test mule and after 30k miles and with no treatments they used all 3 previously mentioned products and managed to clean up the valve train and pick up 8hp and 20ft/lbs.

All the details on this test: https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/

 

[CriticalmassGT]

Don't the Fiesta ST's come with an oil separator? I know the Focus ST does. It loops the blow-by back to the crankcase to help stop carbon build up.

 

[XuperXero]

I wouldn't use it. MOA has a lot of Calcium from VOAs (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1875755/1) done and Calcium has been found to be one of the major elements making up the intake valve deposits in DI. Its also one of the elements in oil chemistries being reduced to mitigate SAPS.

I talked to a BG Rep and he suggested NOT using the MOA in DI cars. Mostly because it's not necessary if you're using a high quality oil (according to him). He did however strongly recommend 44k (PN 208) and their EPR (PN 109) for best results.

With that said BG themselves did use their MOA in their 2010 Taurus SHO (TT V6 DI EB) test mule and after 30k miles and with no treatments they used all 3 previously mentioned products and managed to clean up the valve train and pick up 8hp and 20ft/lbs.

All the details on this test: https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/

These two posts are bit hypocritical... So what are we suppose to do if we wanted to run BG products to combat carbon deposit issues?

 

[Sourskittle]

AEM and devils own sells the best anti-carbon products

 

[OCDFist]

Stupid question, possibly: When decelerating on a highway off ramp, etc, is it better for blow-by and whatever else to stay in gear or go to neutral/idle?

 

[me32]

I thought the best way to keep it clean was use high quality gas an oil an make sure to go WOT couple times a week.

 

[blurred]

Stupid question, possibly: When decelerating on a highway off ramp, etc, is it better for blow-by and whatever else to stay in gear or go to neutral/idle?

Never be out of gear, except if you are stationary. Always slow down in gear.

 

[randywatson]

I thought the best way to keep it clean was use high quality gas an oil an make sure to go WOT couple times a day.

fixed

 

[BeansNCornbread]

These two posts are bit hypocritical... So what are we suppose to do if we wanted to run BG products to combat carbon deposit issues?

Not hypocrical, rather potentially in conflict. The 44k will likely help prevent combustion chamber deposits and the induction service will probably remove intake valve deposits so long as they aren't too far gone. Otherwise you are looking at mechanical cleaning.

With regard to the MOA see my links posted regarding the major contribution calcium has had being part of the intake valve deposits and the link to the VOA and draw the conclusion you feel most comfortable with.