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Completely forgot to unplug the RCM before going on track at AMP today and sure enough, as soon as my tires were up to temp and I started pushing, the car thought it crashed, killed the fuel pumps and about put me in the Armco at 125mph. I’m gonna make one more attempt to fix this with a buddy and if it doesn’t work this car is gonna be sold and I’m buying a GT4. There’s nothing more frustrating than false positives and sadly a lot of newer cars have these issues. I’m just glad the airbags don’t pop like they do in others that get tracked.

This happened awhile ago and I’ve kept quiet but at this point it needs to be shared. I reached out to Randy Robles (Tunerwerx) to see if he could assist me fix this issue, since he works on rally cars. He said he “looked through his notes and said he could fix it with some software and hardware modifications”. He took my cash then told me he couldn’t fix the problem because he can’t access the RCM via the ECU. Zero refund was offered and he was a complete dick when I asked. He sent me a map (which I assumed had a fix for the issue I paid for) and it turned out to be a base map for an ECU performance tune. I had absolutely zero interest in a performance tune and he knew that from the beginning. My car literally wouldn’t idle with that map so I reached out and asked WTF it was and that’s when he started dancing. I told him I didn’t want an ECU tune. I wanted the false-crash issue fixed and he told me to remove my RCM and ABS hardware because there’s nothing he can “tune” out. I asked what the “software” part of his fix I PAID FOR was and he never answered. Multiple times... The guy has no integrity. He couldn’t even admit he’d made a mistake when he realized he had no access to the code that needed to modified to fix the issue I paid him for. The bad thing is, I had absolutely no recourse via PayPal because I purchased his “custom ECU tune” as instructed since there wasn’t a specific item on his website for what I needed. Since he sent me that useless ECU base map, PayPal sided with him because “he provided me with what I purchased.” Unbelievable huh? That’s the kinda guy Randy Robles at Tunerwerx (and formerly of Mountune) is. Just know that if any of you having this issue reach out to Tunewerx because he tunes rally cars and he tells you he can fix it, he can’t. The only solution I found is to unplug the RCM and do that at your own risk.

On a side note, three other tuners had zero problems tuning my car. JST, Stratified and Tune+ and all of their base maps were perfectly functional and fine. Choose your own adventure….

I am by no means a professional but I do consider myself to push the car more then the average person since most people at track days I pass and not the other way around. But damn, you must push the car HARD to constantly get the RCM to kick in.

Glad you're alright. It'll be sad to see the FiST go if it comes to that.
 


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Completely forgot to unplug the RCM before going on track at AMP today and sure enough, as soon as my tires were up to temp and I started pushing, the car thought it crashed, killed the fuel pumps and about put me in the Armco at 125mph. I’m gonna make one more attempt to fix this with a buddy and if it doesn’t work this car is gonna be sold and I’m buying a GT4. There’s nothing more frustrating than false positives and sadly a lot of newer cars have these issues. I’m just glad the airbags don’t pop like they do in others that get tracked.

This happened awhile ago and I’ve kept quiet but at this point it needs to be shared. I reached out to Randy Robles (Tunerwerx) to see if he could assist me fix this issue, since he works on rally cars. He said he “looked through his notes and said he could fix it with some software and hardware modifications”. He took my cash then told me he couldn’t fix the problem because he can’t access the RCM via the ECU. Zero refund was offered and he was a complete dick when I asked. He sent me a map (which I assumed had a fix for the issue I paid for) and it turned out to be a base map for an ECU performance tune. I had absolutely zero interest in a performance tune and he knew that from the beginning. My car literally wouldn’t idle with that map so I reached out and asked WTF it was and that’s when he started dancing. I told him I didn’t want an ECU tune. I wanted the false-crash issue fixed and he told me to remove my RCM and ABS hardware because there’s nothing he can “tune” out. I asked what the “software” part of his fix I PAID FOR was and he never answered. Multiple times... The guy has no integrity. He couldn’t even admit he’d made a mistake when he realized he had no access to the code that needed to modified to fix the issue I paid him for. The bad thing is, I had absolutely no recourse via PayPal because I purchased his “custom ECU tune” as instructed since there wasn’t a specific item on his website for what I needed. Since he sent me that useless ECU base map, PayPal sided with him because “he provided me with what I purchased.” Unbelievable huh? That’s the kinda guy Randy Robles at Tunerwerx (and formerly of Mountune) is. Just know that if any of you having this issue reach out to Tunewerx because he tunes rally cars and he tells you he can fix it, he can’t. The only solution I found is to unplug the RCM and do that at your own risk.

On a side note, three other tuners had zero problems tuning my car. JST, Stratified and Tune+ and all of their base maps were perfectly functional and fine. Choose your own adventure….
we sure it wasn't the added sticker weight under the hood that caused this? jury's still out in my mind.
 


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i *really* hope you find a dependable solution to this problem. unicorns are what make anything special. seeing someone or something roll up where everyone gets curious just makes life more interesting.
THIS!^^^

ANY P-car, let alone the streetable race car upper GTs is 'expected' to be a more than capable open track performer, but not so our little 'shitbox' econocars.

It is fun to see the reactions of those on the street to what this car is capable of, even in a totally stock state of tune (both engine/power wise and suspension/handling wise) before one even gets into the ones heavily modded for power and handling.

Their eyes bug out, and they shake their heads in disbelief, so I can only imagine the reaction the drivers of some of those high zoot/huge buck factory 'street legal track machines' have when your little bean sticks with them, even some of the time, on the tighter courses! [thumb] [driving]
 


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i *really* hope you find a dependable solution to this problem. unicorns are what make anything special. seeing someone or something roll up where everyone gets curious just makes life more interesting.
I have a very competent friend assisting that has more Motorsports knowledge and industry connections than anyone I know. There’s some discussion about the Focus having the same issue and wether the solution for that platform may work us. He’s still digging.. Definitely haven’t given up but it’s frustrating for sure. I love the car and don’t care to change.

This problem began before most of the big modifications like aero, 235s, roll bar, fixed seat, steering wheel, airbag deletes and weight reduction. That’s how long I’ve been fighting it.
 


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I am by no means a professional but I do consider myself to push the car more then the average person since most people at track days I pass and not the other way around. But damn, you must push the car HARD to constantly get the RCM to kick in.

Glad you're alright. It'll be sad to see the FiST go if it comes to that.
I have so much seat time in the Fiesta it feels like part of me when I drive it. A lot of people would be disappointed to see it go but I think everyone I track with understands my frustration. The number of times I heard “Why don’t you just buy a (insert whatever they drive) and be done” last weekend started to resonate. I really love the car and want to fix this. I really need assistance from a Ford engineer that understands exactly how this system works and would be willing to help me defeat or modify the yaw rate safety settings for Motorsport use.
 


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Bryan Redeker (BRGT350 on here) was a suspension engineer (I believe??), albeit not an actual Ford suspension engineer, but he did have some connections/contacts with the actual suspension engineers for our rides.

Sadly, I have not seen him on here in over 2 years or more.

Maybe try PMing him if all else fails?
 


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I posted in a UK track group on FB and one of the guys having the same problem suggested they unplug the hood latch sensor and it fixes this issue. I’m going to see if I can can hop on AMP this Friday and test. Ignore the red text.. That was me asking him to clarify which sensor they unplug.
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I would love to see the wiring diagram to see how that's interconnected to the crash detection system.

That's as odd as Jeep running the stereo wiring interconnected with the rear windshield wiper...
 


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Either the latch sensor or front crash sensor?

Some info here :

https://www.fiestastoc.com/threads/first-issue-on-track.289530/
The front crash sensors are inaccessible by simply opening the hood (or bonnet). That’s why I sent that pic to the guy who told me to unplug the sensor next to the hood latch to confirm that’s what they’re talking about and he said it was. It makes absolutely no since to me at all since it’s a hood latch sensor but it’s worth a shot. If it works, that means the RCM can remained plugged in and disable the fuel pumps in an actual crash.
 


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I would love to see the wiring diagram to see how that's interconnected to the crash detection system.

That's as odd as Jeep running the stereo wiring interconnected with the rear windshield wiper...
Let us know if you find it. I have no clue how that switch interacts with the RCM. I’m not very optimistic to be honest. I’m guessing their cars are different than ours.
 


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Well, it’s definitely not the hood latch sensor. The UK cars have a single crash sensor in the middle behind the latch that they unplug to prevent the issue. I’ll try unplugging a front crash sensor but ours is likely embedded inside the RCM. 51E7D866-065C-4E5C-A559-0F129F9BC546.jpeg
 


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2E648A20-5614-47EF-BADC-B7F14AE8E2A3.jpeg Love the car too much to let it go so I’m gonna try to fix this.. I set the crash sensor mounting tabs on top of the DHM IC to exactly 90 degrees then set each sensor at 0 degrees parallel with the top of the intercooler. Both were off a few degrees in two directions so perhaps that’s just enough to make it have a false-crash detection. I could be 100% wrong.. We will find out. I’m still searching for a human who can access the RCM code too. Increasing the acceptable G and yaw values would be beneficial down the road. I have big plans for this car but need to get past this problem.
 


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Woods, if you want a new track car, all the power to ya.

But I don’t get the reluctance to just remove the RCM and be done with it. As you know, I had the same “false crash” issue. Removing the RCM is mostly inconsequential… loses airbags and fuel pump cutoff. Do you need them? Sounds like you already unplugged the airbags ….

I put a cheap interia switch on the fuel pump for peace of mind. Was a cheap fix. The RCM is gone completely.
 


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Woods, if you want a new track car, all the power to ya.

But I don’t get the reluctance to just remove the RCM and be done with it. As you know, I had the same “false crash” issue. Removing the RCM is mostly inconsequential… loses airbags and fuel pump cutoff. Do you need them? Sounds like you already unplugged the airbags ….

I put a cheap interia switch on the fuel pump for peace of mind. Was a cheap fix. The RCM is gone completely.
I prefer having the dash lights off and OEM fuel cut off. Simple as that. Bothers some and doesn’t bother others. Same as a dirty car. Some people are clean and some aren’t.
 


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