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All Seasons or Summers

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Hey guys. So I'm looking to get new tires within the week and I have a few questions. I'm looking at the Pot. RE-71s, Mich PS4, or maybe the Falken Azenis'. Now, my dad is telling me I HAVE to get All-Seasons because Tire Rack says they're more durable and I need to be more reasonable with my money, and that "I'm older than you, so I know better" bullshit that everyone hates to hear from their parents. These are the ones he's looking at: LINK. Here are my questions. The numbers on Tire Rack look to high to be true, are they actually accurate. Is there really that much of a difference between All Seasons and Summer when it comes to tire life AND performance. If I do end up picking All Seasons, which would you say are best. Thank you.
 

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Hey guys. So I'm looking to get new tires within the week and I have a few questions. I'm looking at the Pot. RE-71s, Mich PS4, or maybe the Falken Azenis'. Now, my dad is telling me I HAVE to get All-Seasons because Tire Rack says they're more durable and I need to be more reasonable with my money, and that "I'm older than you, so I know better" bullshit that everyone hates to hear from their parents. These are the ones he's looking at: LINK. Here are my questions. The numbers on Tire Rack look to high to be true, are they actually accurate. Is there really that much of a difference between All Seasons and Summer when it comes to tire life AND performance. If I do end up picking All Seasons, which would you say are best. Thank you.
I have that exact tire I got from Costco for similar reasons as your dad says, all seasons do last longer but remember you'll be giving up some performance. As far as AS tires go these are great l, I'd give them an 7.5/10 or 8/10 on grip and their wet performance is extremely good.

However don't expect them to perform as well as the stock tires. The fact that it's a harder rubber that's meant to last longer gives up some of that grip you have on the stock tires. That's just the reality of higher treadwear rating tires, its inversely proportional to the stickyness and grip of the tires most of the time.

It's a noticible grip difference, but since my car is more commuter than canyon carver I made the switch. They are still more than adequate for the twisties, I just wouldn't autocross them or take them to the track where performance is absolutely necessary. But for someone who doesn't want to throw down a few hundred a year for new tires it may be worth your while.
 
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I have that exact tire I got from Costco for similar reasons as your dad says, all seasons do last longer but remember you'll be giving up some performance. As far as AS tires go these are great l, I'd give them an 7.5/10 or 8/10 on grip and their wet performance is extremely good.

However don't expect them to perform as well as the stock tires. The fact that it's a harder rubber that's meant to last longer gives up some of that grip you have on the stock tires. That's just the reality of higher treadwear rating tires, its inversely proportional to the stickyness and grip of the tires most of the time.

It's a noticible grip difference, but since my car is more commuter than canyon carver I made the switch. They are still more than adequate for the twisties, I just wouldn't autocross them or take them to the track where performance is absolutely necessary. But for someone who doesn't want to throw down a few hundred a year for new tires it may be worth your while.
Alright. Thank you for the advice. I really appreciate it. I just don't wanna switch and take what makes the Fiesta, out of the Fiesta with underperforming tires if you get what I'm saying.
 

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You live in Florida you don't need all season tires not at all. With that said yes all season tires typically do last longer. Will there be a decrease in performance yes.
A simple question don't take this the wrong way is your father helping you out financially? and if he is do as he ask well maybe.
My Wife and I grew up with very little financial help you appear to be very blessed.

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You can get Summer tires that are decent for easily $50 cheaper than those Michelin in your link they won't last as long but you're going to save $200. So you can tell your dad summer tires are cheaper. Well not always but those Michelin tires are expensive.

The firestone's everybody loves to throw on these cars because of the great performance and value are much cheaper. They will last longer than the OEM summer tire not as long as those michelins but $200 cheaper.

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You live in Florida you don't need all season tires not at all. With that said yes all season tires typically do last longer. Will there be a decrease in performance yes.
A simple question don't take this the wrong way is your father helping you out financially? and if he is do as he ask well maybe.
My Wife and I grew up with very little financial help you appear to be very blessed.

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Thank you for your words. He helped me purchase the car itself, but everything else including mods and tires is all me. Yes I am very blessed and I do not take that for granted. Once I establish a legit income, I intend on repaying my parents for everything, and some.
 

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Graduate and become self sufficient and I’m sure your parents will be satisfied. They probably don’t care about getting paid back. Onward and upward 🌈🌈🌈
 
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Graduate and become self sufficient and I’m sure your parents will be satisfied. They probably don’t care about getting paid back. Onward and upward 🌈🌈🌈
That's the idea of course, and I will pay them back on the principal, not becuase they want the money (I'm sure they probably don't). Unfortunately, my bald front tires probably won't last me another 3 years of abuse lol.
 
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Also, one more thing I completely forgot to ask. Can I mix tires? My back OEM tires are fine, but my fronts are fried. Can I get 2 new, completely different tires to put on?
 

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There are good performance oriented summer tires that also last pretty long.

Continental EXTREME CONTACT SPORT are a good summer tire that are rated very excellent for the rain. I know folks that use them as rain tires for autocross. A 340 wear rating, which is lower than 500's you posed. About the same price.

The other option is just go cheaper tire that has some performance. They wear out faster, but because they are cheaper, it is a bit of a wash. Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 . Also a 340 wear rating. They are "acceptable" in the rain. I am currently running a set as my daily tires. I at this point wish I would have purchased the Continentals as I do not really care for the feel of these tires but many folks (including my son also on a FiST) love them
 

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As a side note: All season does not magically mean the tires will last longer. It just means that traction doesn't go to hell when the temperature drops. I know of cheaper all seasons that wear out very quickly.
 

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You can get summer tires with decent treadlife. All seasons are really for 32F and below. Any other specs, including treadlife, are tire specific. I killed the brand new cheap set of all seasons that came with the car in less than 18,000miles. My current Firestone Indy 500s have about 20,000miles on them with tread to spare. I do cone events, aggressive canyon runs and the occasional auto-x as well as commuting 300miles/week. Couldn't ask more from a ~$90ea tire.

I'd recommend the Firestone Indy 500s or the BFG sport comp 2s. Both are great performance tires, do decent in the rain and will last a good while. BFGs do slightly better in the rain but the firestones are nowhere near bad in the wet.

In regards to the fronts wearing out faster than the rears, rotate your tires more often. I rotate every 5,000miles but if you're doing a lot of aggressive driving you may need to do it more often. This will greatly increase the lifespan of your tires.
 
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You can get summer tires with decent treadlife. All seasons are really for 32F and below. Any other specs, including treadlife, are tire specific. I killed the brand new cheap set of all seasons that came with the car in less than 18,000miles. My current Firestone Indy 500s have about 20,000miles on them with tread to spare. I do cone events, aggressive canyon runs and the occasional auto-x as well as commuting 300miles/week. Couldn't ask more from a ~$90ea tire.

I'd recommend the Firestone Indy 500s or the BFG sport comp 2s. Both are great performance tires, do decent in the rain and will last a good while. BFGs do slightly better in the rain but the firestones are nowhere near bad in the wet.

In regards to the fronts wearing out faster than the rears, rotate your tires more often. I rotate every 5,000miles but if you're doing a lot of aggressive driving you may need to do it more often. This will greatly increase the lifespan of your tires.
Ok Cool! Thanks for the info.
 
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I was hoping to get a FiST with all-season tires, but I ended up choosing one with summer tires. Since I live where the temperature drops well below 40 degrees, I had to buy another set of tires, so I figured I'd get winter tires. Since you live in FL, it shouldn't really matter which type you pick... summer tires will probably be optimal.
 

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Also, one more thing I completely forgot to ask. Can I mix tires? My back OEM tires are fine, but my fronts are fried. Can I get 2 new, completely different tires to put on?
Yes you can it's not all wheel drive. Keep them on the same axle. Just don't be one of those who puts bald tires on the rear and new ones the front. It's a good way for the rear end to come out.
If the rear has plenty of tread it's perfectly fine to put new different tires on the front.

My parents due to financial reasons typically only replace tires 2 at a time. It's never been a issue.
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Yes you can it's not all wheel drive. Keep them on the same axle. Just don't be one of those who puts bald tires on the rear and new ones the front. It's a good way for the rear end to come out.
If the rear has plenty of tread it's perfectly fine to put new different tires on the front.
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Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure. Thank you.
 

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