Falken Azenis RT660 Coming Soon - RE71R contender?

[rallytaff]

Be that as it may, that does NOT explain why a patch the size of a contact patch of a tyre on the road was worn on two of them. My alignment is done by a guy in Glendale and is anal when it comes to getting it right. His computerized machine is spot on, even with my ST. I only had this problem with Falkens.

 

[HBEcoBeaST]

Be that as it may, that does NOT explain why a patch the size of a contact patch of a tyre on the road was worn on two of them. My alignment is done by a guy in Glendale and is anal when it comes to getting it right. His computerized machine is spot on, even with my ST. I only had this problem with Falkens.

How often were they rotated? I could go through front falkens 615+ s pretty easily in 10k. Especially if they weren't rotated for 10k. Most people running 615+s get around 15k even when rotated every 3k miles in a FiST, much less if you drive aggressively or track.

That's why many of us (me included) get 'worse' tires like Indy 500s and bfg sc2s. You don't have to rotate as often and they last much longer than 200utg. Also more forgiving if you aren't anal about rotations and proper psi. IMO the 200utg and below tires are for track focused individuals, if it's your daily they don't make sense. Lots of upkeep and the benefits only come when you push the car. Plus they don't last as long and generally cost more.

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[rallytaff]

Forget the rotation, it still doesn't explain why a contact patch on two tyres was there and flat spotted when I didn't do an emergency stops. Just doesn't make sense. This was in a stock 2003 Focus hatchback. Why weren't Falken interested in seeing the tyres? Didn't want to admit to a faulty product? It makes you wonder.

 

[M-Sport fan]

IMO the 200utg and below tires are for track focused individuals, if it's your daily they don't make sense. Lots of upkeep and the benefits only come when you push the car. Plus they don't last as long and generally cost more.

I generally agree with this above, but, most of these tire manufacturers ONLY offer sizes we can use in their 100/200 (or even lower tread wear rated, R compound PURE track tires and slicks!), and NOT in their more 'pedestrian' 300 and up tread wear street tires.

 

[Pablo Pistoffo]

Be that as it may, that does NOT explain why a patch the size of a contact patch of a tyre on the road was worn on two of them. My alignment is done by a guy in Glendale and is anal when it comes to getting it right. His computerized machine is spot on, even with my ST. I only had this problem with Falkens.

I would have certainly made a warranty claim if the tires were that bad, that fast. Did both the bald spots happen to be on the back wheels?

 

[HBEcoBeaST]

Forget the rotation, it still doesn't explain why a contact patch on two tyres was there and flat spotted when I didn't do an emergency stops. Just doesn't make sense. This was in a stock 2003 Focus hatchback. Why weren't Falken interested in seeing the tyres? Didn't want to admit to a faulty product? It makes you wonder.

I can't speak for your exact situation, but wear is never covered for sports tires. The fact that they weren't rotated gives even more grounds they were improperly installed and/or maintained.

Ever consider the tires wore out? 10k on just the fronts would easily do a set of 200utg tires in. If people get less than 20k (more like 15k) out of 615+s even rotated regularly, that's less than 10k of the tire's life on the front. Between being fwd and your front tires doing the most work during braking, they wear twice as fast as the rears. Hence the frequent rotation. Once you get a little uneven wear, tires really go quick.

IME defective tire symptoms include bulging, cracking or tread separation. What you're describing is wear and 10,000 miles on the front of a fwd car is a lot for aggressive compounds.

Not an expert just my experience and 2¢

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[AZSP33D]

Not sure how it's even obscurely possible for a tire itself to cause flatspotting. What is the manufacturer to think? Two out of four tires only? Front or back?

 

[Plainrt]

You sure someone didn’t borrow your car and do some high speed brake test lol. Also I believe any brand can have defects and if I get a bad product one time it won’t stop me from buying again in future. I use to hate ford up until the fiesta st came here. Now I’m on my 2nd fist.

 

[TyphoonFiST]

You sure someone didn’t borrow your car and do some high speed brake test lol. Also I believe any brand can have defects and if I get a bad product one time it won’t stop me from buying again in future. I use to hate ford up until the fiesta st came here. Now I’m on my 2nd fist.

This all depends on the customer service and the handling of the issue at hand.IMO.

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[Pablo Pistoffo]

My thought was some handbrake-related issues - either unintentional because some people are silly, or intentionally by service department hoons.

 

[HBEcoBeaST]

My thought was some handbrake-related issues - either unintentional because some people are silly, or intentionally by service department hoons.

Yea I didn't want to say hand brake turn [emoji51] my worst fear is someone hooning my car like it was a rental.

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[Plainrt]

225/45-15 rt660 on 15x8 vs 205/50-16 re71r on 16x7

 

[the duke]

You've already shouldered a set of new RT660s?

 

[Plainrt]

You've already shouldered a set of new RT660s?

Lol the re71r has seen better days

 

[wetwea33]

Everyone who's put some miles on these, how do the sidewalls feel. Really miss the stuff sidewall and amazing turn in of the re50s. Running R888r now and they just don't have nearly the same sensation.

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[M-Sport fan]

Everyone who's put some miles on these, how do the sidewalls feel. Really miss the stuff sidewall and amazing turn in of the re50s. Running R888r now and they just don't have nearly the same sensation.

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I'd be willing to bet that the 205/40-17 R888Rs have a better turn-in response than the factory 050s do.

Apples to apples, as far as size comparison goes.

 

[LuvPug]

225/45-15 rt660 on 15x8 vs 205/50-16 re71r on 16x7

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Are these going to be your DD summer tires? I'm curious how they do in the rain.

 

[wetwea33]

I'd be willing to bet that the 205/40-17 R888Rs have a better turn-in response than the factory 050s do.

Apples to apples, as far as size comparison goes.

Nah both the bridgestones are known for stiff sidewalls and quick turn in (re050 and re71s) but I also went down to a 16 with more sidewall. Still didn't expect them to be as soft as they are. Haven't liked these tires at all honestly.

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[M-Sport fan]

Nah both the bridgestones are known for stiff sidewalls and quick turn in (re050 and re71s) but I also went down to a 16 with more sidewall. Still didn't expect them to be as soft as they are. Haven't liked these tires at all honestly.

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This is very surprising, considering that they are a 100 tread wear gumball, which is considered a pure open track, time attack, etc. type tire which is only supposed to be bested in grip/turn-in by the 50 tread wear (and under, down to 00) road race slicks out there.

 

[HBEcoBeaST]

This is very surprising, considering that they are a 100 tread wear gumball, which is considered a pure open track, time attack, etc. type tire which is only supposed to be bested in grip/turn-in by the 50 tread wear and under road race slicks out there.

Actual traction is up, softer sidewall effects steering feel more than traction with these tires. I feel the same way with RSRs, RSRRs and the bfg Rivals. Excellent traction, but they can feel squishy and feedback/turn in isn't the best. Going down to a smaller wheel will also affect turn in. I really noticed it going from 17" crappy AS tires to 16" on slightly stretched Indy's, still lost a little turn in and feel.

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