MP215 vs B1 package?

[dhminer]

So, are you saying you preferred MP215 over the Dizzy 2?

Dizzy stage 2 was definitely better, as was the E30 tune accompanying it. Just have to be conscious of your ability to break free with traction control off. The Cobb traction control if you activate it does a pretty good job if you like how that functions.

 

[dhminer]

Dizzy stage 2 was definitely better, as was the E30 tune accompanying it. Just have to be conscious of your ability to break free with traction control off. The Cobb traction control if you activate it does a pretty good job if you like how that functions.

Just to add one more point - I only got the MP215 because it was warranty friendly when I did it. I understand that's no longer the case therefore I wouldn't bother.

 

[XR650R]

Thanks for feedback, everyone. I'll probably email Mountune to double check what's the difference between the two. BTW, what fuel do/did you run on your MP214, 91 or 93? I'm leaning towards 91 cause I'm not entirely sure I'll always be able to find it...

I was also looking at Tunewerks and their AP/tune package and its about the same price as MP215 except with unlocked AP, so seeing how the same person worked on both, now I'm kind of wondering how close would their conservative tune be to MP215 ...

I had the MP215 and liked it. The mountune "stage 2" (93 w/ intercooler) OTS tune is way faster.
Now, I'm tuning with Tunewerks (93 conservative tune w/ intercooler), and it's even better. Randy did the MP215, the OTS mountune tunes, and he tunes race-winning rally FiSTs. I'm not knocking other tuners, but he's got the bona fides when it comes to Ford turbos. He's got the experience and the results.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd have waited for a sale on a real CAI (mountune or ST 200 from Whoosh), an intercooler, and bought the Tunewerks package. Excellent bang for the buck. You'll need a RMM, too, of course. If you want to go big turbo, he's got you covered there, too.

You get 60 days of tuning. That's good, because my biggest issue has been finding decent 93 gas. Most of it around here is garbage. Don't let the brand names fool you. It varies a lot.
Now that I've found some that works, my car is an absolute hoot to stomp on.
I'm a Tunewerks fanboy and I don't care who knows it!

 

[XR650R]

I didn't answer the first question. The MP215 will run fine on 91. It's a little punchier on 93, but not a lot. If you get a custom tune and you're worried about finding 93, just get a 91 tune.
If you run a 93 tune and can't get 93, you can run it in panic mode, or switch to one of the pre-loaded Cobb tunes for 91.

When I got the tune, Randy first had me do a couple pulls in the Cobb stage 0 (stock) tune to set a baseline. He's sent several revisions as I struggled with finding good gas. I'm liking it.

 

[M-Sport fan]

You get 60 days of tuning. That's good, because my biggest issue has been finding decent 93 gas. Most of it around here is garbage. Don't let the brand names fool you. It varies a lot.

What has been your experience with 93 from your local Exxon/Mobil stations (IF any)??
Which fuels seem to be OK so far from your area (central Ohio, correct?)?

Have they been just as bad as the Shell and Sunoco, or at least a little bit better??

So far, out of the tuners I was able to contact, or get any response from, ONLY Adam Brunson has warned to completely stay away from Shell V-Power, and even he has claimed that it is not that bad/harmful on a factory tune.

Mitch Levy, formerly CP-E's tuner, has said that he has heard of the whole V-Power additive detriment thing, but maybe only once, and if he were still tuning he would NOT refuse to tune a car with that in the tank.

 

[XR650R]

What has been your experience with 93 from your local Exxon/Mobil stations (IF any)??
Which fuels seem to be OK so far from your area (central Ohio, correct?)?

Have they been just as bad as the Shell and Sunoco, or at least a little bit better??

So far, out of the tuners I was able to contact, or get any response from, ONLY Adam Brunson has warned to completely stay away from Shell V-Power, and even he has claimed that it is not that bad/harmful on a factory tune.

Mitch Levy, formerly CP-E's tuner, has said that he has heard of the whole V-Power additive detriment thing, but maybe only once, and if he were still tuning he would NOT refuse to tune a car with that in the tank.

I'm in northern Indiana. I tried Shell, Mobil, and Sunoco, from worst to best. The one I settled on is Marathon. It gives me the least negative corrections, so far. I haven't tried BP or Speedway but I will, just to see how they do. A lot of the stations have 92 now, for some reason.

 

[M-Sport fan]

Yeah, Marathons are just as much hen's teeth in unicorn's mouths as 76 and Chevron are, around here.

BP is my only other (name brand) not a crazy distance away, accessible choice besides Shell, Sunoco, Exxon/Mobil, and Russkieoil (Lukoil), if anyone considers that last one an actual 'name brand'.

It's bad enough I would have to do an overland trek to get E85, now I must do a road trip just to get plain old effing 93 which will 'work' with tunes?!?!?

 

[XR650R]

Yeah, Marathons are just as much hen's teeth in unicorn's mouths as 76 and Chevron are, around here.

BP is my only other (name brand) not a crazy distance away, accessible choice besides Shell, Sunoco, Exxon/Mobil, and Russkieoil (Lukoil), if anyone considers that last one an actual 'name brand'.

It's bad enough I would have to do an overland trek to get E85, now I must do a road trip just to get plain old effing 93 which will 'work' with tunes?!?!?

I'm pretty sure they all get their gas from the same refineries. They do their gas up however, but some of it ain't up to the job.
I think the solution here would be a massive lawsuit. Of course, we're talking about suing oil companies, and they have more money than God.

When I push the button and pay extra for 93, it better be freakin' 93!

 

[jmrtsus]

Most of us did the MP215 thing for the warranty/reliability. In 2016 we installed it ourselves and had an ASE friend "sign off" on it for a case of cold beer. Warranty addition took 5 minutes on the phone and an Email. What it's strong suit is it pulls like a train all the way to redline in third gear. Perfect for merging on the internet or 2 lane passing. It also had the best air box with cold air input. Like others I love it and am glad it is EPA clean. As to gas my car loves 93 non ethanol best. Gets up to 37 MPG Hwy with no ethanol. But never less than 93 octane. Power ratings on the stock and MP215 engines are based on 93, lower means lower HP. Pretty sure it was only warranty eligible for 2014-2016 cars.

 

[jmrtsus]

What has been your experience with 93 from your local Exxon/Mobil stations (IF any)??
Which fuels seem to be OK so far from your area (central Ohio, correct?)?

Have they been just as bad as the Shell and Sunoco, or at least a little bit better??

So far, out of the tuners I was able to contact, or get any response from, ONLY Adam Brunson has warned to completely stay away from Shell V-Power, and even he has claimed that it is not that bad/harmful on a factory tune.

Mitch Levy, formerly CP-E's tuner, has said that he has heard of the whole V-Power additive detriment thing, but maybe only once, and if he were still tuning he would NOT refuse to tune a car with that in the tank.

My MP215 hates Shell gas, lower hp and mpg.

 

[M-Sport fan]

I'm pretty sure they all get their gas from the same refineries. They do their gas up however, but some of it ain't up to the job.
I think the solution here would be a massive lawsuit. Of course, we're talking about suing oil companies, and they have more money than God.

When I push the button and pay extra for 93, it better be freakin' 93!

I don't have all that much doubt about the stated octane not being up to snuff (although I am SURE that happens more than it should).

It seems that the problem, as far as turbos and tuning goes, is more the individual, bespoke ADDITIVES which each separate company blends into the tanker trucks at the fuel 'farm', than an octane below the stated 93.

 

[jmrtsus]

Here is a map of US refineries to see how far your gas travels. The additive mix is made at the refinery then tanked. If the gas is transported by pipeline that is the only thing that alters octane. But it only RAISES octane. A 4000 mile pipeline has multiple grades of gas in it at all times. The different octanes mix in the "interface" of where the two products mix so a long length of a 48 inch pipeline will contain a mix of the two different products. This interface is always sent to the lower octane tanks for storage. This is why your gas pumps say minimum octane levels. Regular is seldom 87 octane if it was transported by pipeline due to the higher octane interfaced mixed into it. Gas is gas, the different companies add their own choice of additives. Whatever Shell uses my car does not like. I can feel the loss of power and see the decrease in mileage. On the other hand I am blessed by two Midnight Oil stations within miles that sell Marathon provided 93 Octane non ethanol that my MP215 car loves. Max power and gas mileage. The map if you use the link allows you to see who owns each refinery and I'm sure you will be surprised to see how many are independently owned. These refineries make gas for whoever wants to buy it mixed to their specs. So that independent plant may make Exxon this month and Citgo the next. Just because you buy Sunoco brand gas does not mean Sunoco refined the gas. The "convenience" store unbranded gas could be any brand that is the cheapest on the spot market. Unbranded gas is emergency only for my FiST.

Map link https://earthjustice.org/features/147refineries