MP215 - Impressions, Feedback, and Questions

[Quisp]

http://www.mountuneusa.com/COBB-V3-Accessport-ECU-Flasher-Focus-ST-Fiesta-ST-p/ap3-for-001.htm

I'm not sure if this means you're buying just the Accessport with the mountune map installed.
You should double check if this route retains warranty though, because I think the AP also comes with COBB's standard maps, which I believe are supposed to void warranty if used...

No that's not the MP215. With that you get a Randy Robles tune . Not warrantied.

 

[dubtastic]

http://www.mountuneusa.com/COBB-V3-Accessport-ECU-Flasher-Focus-ST-Fiesta-ST-p/ap3-for-001.htm

I'm not sure if this means you're buying just the Accessport with the mountune map installed.
You should double check if this route retains warranty though, because I think the AP also comes with COBB's standard maps, which I believe are supposed to void warranty if used...

Hi Az,

So in other words, could I purchase a mishimoto intake and just the mountune tune installed at a Ford dealership or does it need to be the Mountune intake for it to be considered the MP215 ford safe upgrade?

 

[CanadianGuy]

Hi Az,

So in other words, could I purchase a mishimoto intake and just the mountune tune installed at a Ford dealership or does it need to be the Mountune intake for it to be considered the MP215 ford safe upgrade?

THe MP215 comes with the intake change. I have not seen it available without. You can get the Mountune CAI without the MP215 tune but not the other way. Sure after you have the tune you can swap out parts and if you have warranty issues it could be looked into but unlikely the cause. The real concern is the Factory approved tune. Now this tune is made with the characteristics of the Mountune CAI.

 

[dubtastic]

THe MP215 comes with the intake change. I have not seen it available without. You can get the Mountune CAI without the MP215 tune but not the other way. Sure after you have the tune you can swap out parts and if you have warranty issues it could be looked into but unlikely the cause. The real concern is the Factory approved tune. Now this tune is made with the characteristics of the Mountune CAI.

Ah! Got it thank you!

So... I got a bit closer to buying the MP215 kit, but immediately after talking to my ford dealership I'm more than a little wary. Seems like they had no idea what the MP215 kit was (mind you a tech at the dealership told me about it). On the suggestion of Mountune I called a ford performance shop that specializes in mustangs... the had never heard of the kit but was able to find it in their parts catalog and said they could do it for about 3 hrs worth of labor!!!

I'm shocked that there is such a big disconnect, the hassle is making it not worth the effort. Having spent a considerable amount of time in the UK and seeing what Mountune has done there I just assumed it would be a factory "like" upgrade and off you drive. Oddly enough my cousins ST was able to have Mountune bits installed at the dealership prior to delivery in the UK... I'm about ready to hang it up.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Ah! Got it thank you!

So... I got a bit closer to buying the MP215 kit, but immediately after talking to my ford dealership I'm more than a little wary. Seems like they had no idea what the MP215 kit was (mind you a tech at the dealership told me about it). On the suggestion of Mountune I called a ford performance shop that specializes in mustangs... the had never heard of the kit but was able to find it in their parts catalog and said they could do it for about 3 hrs worth of labor!!!

I'm shocked that there is such a big disconnect, the hassle is making it not worth the effort. Having spent a considerable amount of time in the UK and seeing what Mountune has done there I just assumed it would be a factory "like" upgrade and off you drive. Oddly enough my cousins ST was able to have Mountune bits installed at the dealership prior to delivery in the UK... I'm about ready to hang it up.

Any certified automotive mechanic can install the kit to keep warranty. Not just the dealership. And yes most do not know it because of the Mustang popularity.

 

[dubtastic]

Any certified automotive mechanic can install the kit to keep warranty. Not just the dealership. And yes most do not know it because of the Mustang popularity.

Thank you for the help [MENTION=2253]CanadianGuy[/MENTION]! They should have you on the payroll. Now to find a ASE Certified Tech with some experience with this platform.

 

[dubtastic]

Any certified automotive mechanic can install the kit to keep warranty. Not just the dealership. And yes most do not know it because of the Mustang popularity.

Thank you for the help [MENTION=2253]CanadianGuy[/MENTION]! They should have you on the payroll. Now to find a ASE Certified Tech with some experience with this platform.

 

[LedRobster]

Dealerships in my area were the same way, they have no idea who Mountune is, even our Roush certified dealer. Had mine installed at a local shop for an hours labor. You just need to email your Mountune purchase invoice and installation invoice to Ford to register the warranty. It's pretty easy.

 

[OCS12]

Thank you for the help [MENTION=2253]CanadianGuy[/MENTION]! They should have you on the payroll. Now to find a ASE Certified Tech with some experience with this platform.

I wouldn't worry too much about needing a tech with Fiesta ST experience. The extent of the labor involved is: remove air box, remove headlight, stuff hose down by fog light, install new airbox in factory location, reinstall headlight, plug in accessport and follow onscreen instructions. Seriously, it involves a total of three screwdrivers and a half hour of unskilled labor. All that really matters is that it's someone who can sign off on the paperwork for the warranty.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Thank you for the help [MENTION=2253]CanadianGuy[/MENTION]! They should have you on the payroll. Now to find a ASE Certified Tech with some experience with this platform.

Like you I did a ton of research when I was ordering the car and more when I waited 5 months for delivery. Just sharing what I found.

 

[AzNightmare]

Hopefully you don't get charged 3 hrs for labour... It takes about 30 mins to do.
I suggest you print the instructions off from the mountune site and gave it to the tech too. Just in case he can't figure it out, and so that you both can see how long it should take...

 

[CanadianGuy]

Hopefully you don't get charged 3 hrs for labour... It takes about 30 mins to do.
I suggest you print the instructions off from the mountune site and gave it to the tech too. Just in case he can't figure it out, and so that you both can see how long it should take...

Also at home download the ap manager software from Cobb running. Plug the mTune in it and have it updated. Saves the mechanic from doing it if required.

 

[Maxpowa]

A slight technical correction. The warranty information can be found here: http://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-Fiesta-ST-MP215-Performance-Upgrade-p/2364-215-aa.htm

As I read this (disclaimer: I was a lawyer in a former life), the Mountune parts come with their own 3/36 warranty, which starts to run from the start date of the new vehicle warranty, in other words from when the car was 1st purchased. So after 3 years or 36k miles from when you 1st bought the car, it's done, no matter when you had it installed.

Mountune also states that the warranty works "in conjunction with -- and does not void -- the Manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty."

OK, great so far. Except that under M/M, aftermarket parts can't "void" a warranty, just problems that can be shown to have been caused by the aftermarket parts in action. Mountune/Ford states further, "Engine, driveline and suspension concerns not caused by Ford Racing Performance Parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty." Again, nothing more than M/M already provides.

So on to what they do provide:

Ford Racing and mountune LLC performance parts are aftermarket parts. The use of Ford Racing and mountune performance parts may impact the performance characteristics of other systems of the vehicle. Even when operating properly, Ford Racing and mountune performance parts, such as these, have the potential to adversely impact other systems of the vehicle. If an adverse impact is caused by a warranted Ford Racing or mountune performance pack or component, the period and coverage of this Ford Racing Limited Warranty applies to the repairs.

Bottom line: if you have Mountune mods, 3/36 from initial purchase you're good; after that, you're good luck.

So I think it is a bit misleading for Mountune and Ford to call the MP215 "warranty friendly" any more than a Cobb CAI and AP are warranty friendly. What they really should say is that Mountune parts labeled "warranty friendly" carry their own limited warranty only when installed by a Ford dealer, and that warranty is limited to the sooner of 3 years or 36k miles from when the car first was purchased.

This is not a slam against Mountune (I have a short-shift and FMIC), just an attempt to bring some "actuality" to the phrase "warranty friendly."

This is actually an excellent point and the reason why I haven't installed the kit on my car (thought I have it sitting in my room waiting). Any problem linked back to the MP215 kit PAST the 3/36 warranty (new car) may be denied. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, this also includes the 5/60 powertrain warranty AND any extended service warranty you may have purchased when you first bought the car.

I personally have had some mechanical issues with the vehicle, so any possibility of impacting the warranty (new vehicle and powertrain) has suddenly become very risky. I'm starting to second-guess my decision to purchase the system and am now considering returning it or selling it. Such a shame. I should have researched a little more. Nothing against Mountune, but those of us who don't have the time nor expertise (like me) to wrench on our own vehicles if the warranty claim is denied are in a bit of a bind. MP215 kit anyone? Haha.

 

[AntTrain]

I had the mp215 kit, intercooler with charge pipes, cat back and short throw shifter installed at Mountune 3 months ago. It really transformed the car but lately I've been itching for some more power and I can't really do much else.

 

[Maxpowa]

I had the mp215 kit, intercooler with charge pipes, cat back and short throw shifter installed at Mountune 3 months ago. It really transformed the car but lately I've been itching for some more power and I can't really do much else.

intercooler is next on my list. Worth it, in your opinion? Notice any gains?

 

[CanadianGuy]

intercooler is next on my list. Worth it, in your opinion? Notice any gains?

There is no gains with intercooler. Just the same power but available for longer times as the heat is flushed out easier. AKA no heatsoak.

 

[AzNightmare]

There is no gains with intercooler. Just the same power but available for longer times as the heat is flushed out easier. AKA no heatsoak.

But with an Intercooler, you can use the COBB stage2 map safely which means more gain?

 

[CanadianGuy]

But with an Intercooler, you can use the COBB stage2 map safely which means more gain?

That is a common misconception. The gains are present with or without the intercooler. The only thing the intercooler does (similar to the radiator) is keep the air cool for the Turbo. Any intercooler will do this job with various degree of success. Once the IC is too hot it will not cool the air anymore which will reduce the performance of the turbo and may cause the ECU to reduce boost. A better (typically larger) will allow more hot air to be cooled before it can no longer perform the task. This is applicable when doing several WOT pull back to back such as autox, race track, etc...

 

[AzNightmare]

That is a common misconception. The gains are present with or without the intercooler. The only thing the intercooler does (similar to the radiator) is keep the air cool for the Turbo. Any intercooler will do this job with various degree of success. Once the IC is too hot it will not cool the air anymore which will reduce the performance of the turbo and may cause the ECU to reduce boost. A better (typically larger) will allow more hot air to be cooled before it can no longer perform the task. This is applicable when doing several WOT pull back to back such as autox, race track, etc...

Is there a difference between stage 1 map and stage 3 map then?

 

[CanadianGuy]

Is there a difference between stage 1 map and stage 3 map then?

Of course. Simplistically more fuel, more boost (at various rpm) etc.. which all generate more heat which is required to be eliminated via the IC in order for the turbo to run smoothly. Since there is more heat a stock ic will not be able in most applications to cool the air quickly enough or long enough to be useful. Aka it will be heat soaked possibly in the first pull of wot, which the ecu will pull power which help reduce heat. Therefore a stage 3 with stock ic will not be effective. Again the is very simple!e explanation to show the ic does not make/add power but allows power to be made longer and more effectively.