"The Smoking Tire" - VP100 ProTune

[BoostBumps]

Razor's signature said 240hp, not WHP.... he made around 210-220 WHP in vdyno (at 4200 rpm)

Yes..Razor had listed (e40) /240hp listed in his signature where I mistakenly thought it meant "w"hp...my bad..I own it...

I did manage to find his V-dyno plot showing 220whp / 305wtq...FWTW!

 

[Sourskittle]

The ironic parts is... When I shift every gear other than first gear, it starts at 4800rpm or higher. Look at razor's plot, now look at 4800rpm and above. Not picking on him or anyone, just pointing it out. If I'm below 4800rpm, that typically means I'm just driving at part throttle and WOT below 4800rpm is useless. I say this not to pick on Razor or any other dyno graph, but to simply point it out because that's what I think of when I see the shape of that specific graph. I want to say Razor posted some much better shaped graphs, they we're just not geared toward "peak" power, maybe his road course tune, its was very flat, but more like 205whp or so.

Also, didn't want to forget to mention... Tuning the VD to the dyno, holy cow... That's an amazing idea. ( for me its sort of an issue though, i didn 't make excuses when it happened, and I'm not making the now, but the load on the dyno was different than on the street and making 2psi less from start to finish was a factor)

 

[DHM1]

Also I know some folks had stated the FiST's turbo's airflow potential is pretty much "maxed" out even at stock tune levels where max boost for stock is 19~20psi...However, I see your boost peaks @ ~28psi @2400rpm and holds to ~3800rpm...And jeez...even at 5000rpm your boost is still +20psi? Looks like you really milked that stock turbo for all it was willing to produce!

Yea it still does not make the power increase that proper sized turbo cars do per psi of boost. Normally i see 10hp(crank) per psi. Our tiny turbos are maxed out very easily.

The ironic parts is... When I shift every gear other than first gear, it starts at 4800rpm or higher. Look at razor's plot, now look at 4800rpm and above. Not picking on him or anyone, just pointing it out. If I'm below 4800rpm, that typically means I'm just driving at part throttle and WOT below 4800rpm is useless. I say this not to pick on Razor or any other dyno graph, but to simply point it out because that's what I think of when I see the shape of that specific graph. I want to say Razor posted some much better shaped graphs, they we're just not geared toward "peak" power, maybe his road course tune, its was very flat, but more like 205whp or so.

Also, didn't want to forget to mention... Tuning the VD to the dyno, holy cow... That's an amazing idea. ( for me its sort of an issue though, i didn 't make excuses when it happened, and I'm not making the now, but the load on the dyno was different than on the street and making 2psi less from start to finish was a factor)

Yea i shift at 5000-5500rpm lol i wish i could shift high but it does not carry torque high enough to do so. Bigger turbo with proper spool is key!

When it comes to the chassis dynos i use i make sure i set the load to match what the cars sees on the street. for example if 1500rpm-7000rpm 4th gear pul on the street take 8sec i make sure the dyno has its sweep to do the same. I only use eddie current dynos that allow for steady state tuning and then load adjusting sweeps. I will use other dynos but not with the level of consistence as a good eddie.

Russ

 

[Sourskittle]

all my dyno days have just been "get on, get off" type deals. My friends bone factory stock Focus ST made 218whp and 248tq, so my 233/257tq seemed "ok" to me since those cars normally make much more. He's a nice old guy I work with, but he's crazy about his warranty, lol.

 

[JPGC]

On the dyno that I ran my FiST, I made sure to note the numbers that the other cars were getting that day. It was a Mustang Club dyno day and the car right after me was a bone stock 2013 Mustang GT. So, I know that my numbers, based on what he got, are right on where they should be and not inflated.

 

[re-rx7]

Cobb is putting this crap on fb. Some bs. I'm just about tired of this forum as well. Everything is edited and monitored in case someone doesn't like it. So much for knowledge.

 

[DHM1]

Cobb is putting this crap on fb. Some bs. I'm just about tired of this forum as well. Everything is edited and monitored in case someone doesn't like it. So much for knowledge.

Cobb should post the gains they made. I have no doubt there true. How is 51hp and 82ftlbs so out of this world on a car that has every bolt on plus a oxygenated 100 octane fuel? If I didn't gain atleast that I would pissed lol. We see gains of 25+ hp and 100ftlbs with just tuning and some ethanol. If I could not gian another 25 hp from bolt ons and oxygenated fuel than I guess ford built the most optimized car ever. There are plenty of people with 93oct that are with in 15-20hp of that with out that fuel. I have seen time and time again 10-15%gains just from oxygenated fuels. Calling Cobb BS is uncalled for.

Russ

 

[re-rx7]

Cobb should post the gains they made. I have no doubt there true. How is 51hp and 82ftlbs so out of this world on a car that has every bolt on plus a oxygenated 100 octane fuel? If I didn't gain atleast that I would pissed lol. We see gains of 25+ hp and 100ftlbs with just tuning and some ethanol. If I could not gian another 25 hp from bolt ons and oxygenated fuel than I guess ford built the most optimized car ever. There are plenty of people with 93oct that are with in 15-20hp of that with out that fuel. I have seen time and time again 10-15%gains just from oxygenated fuels. Calling Cobb BS is uncalled for.

Russ

Wow. Another fool. I have a turbo that can push 300whp worth of air. If I add an intake and exhaust how much power can the turbo make now? Think about it. So many people out there are running on e85 and race fuel (100oct isn't race fuel) and aren't seeing anywhere near these numbers. Like I said show me some numbers of the 100lb ft tq gain with a CATTED dp.
Let's not forget this is a mustang dyno. So these numbers would be 260ish on a dynojet lol. They still haven't posted their logs. Gee I wonder why.

 

[DHM1]

Wow. Another fool. I have a turbo that can push 300whp worth of air. If I add an intake and exhaust how much power can the turbo make now? Think about it. So many people out there are running on e85 and race fuel (100oct isn't race fuel) and aren't seeing anywhere near these numbers. Like I said show me some numbers of the 100lb ft tq gain with a CATTED dp.

good luck

Russ

 

[re-rx7]

good luck

Russ

To you as well.

 

[ed_the_sledd]

 

[re-rx7]

I lol'd.

 

[DHM1]

Now that im home from work for people that care to understand how things work instead of name calling because they dont understand or cant explain or prove why something is happening. Oxygenated race fuels like VP101 carry extra oxygen. So no matter how small your engine is, your supercharger, or your turbo is this will allow you to burn more fuel thus making more power. Very simple this is not black magic. If you turbo only moves 40lbs of air it can only shove so much oxygen allowing you to burn only so much fuel allowing you to make x power. but when you change things like exhaust back pressure or turbo inlet pressure it makes the turbo more dynamic and allows it to flow more air or allows the engine to make more power because exhaust back pressure to charge pressure differential. I can make a thread on explaining this. Considering i have spent over 11years doing this as a carrier and my life i am very educated and experienced in turbo charged EFI internal combustion engine you can call me a fool, you can read, or you can converse with me either way i dont plan to name call or leave. Seems like plenty of people appreciate someone that take the time to teach.

Russ

 

[me32]

Cobb is putting this crap on fb. Some bs. I'm just about tired of this forum as well. Everything is edited and monitored in case someone doesn't like it. So much for knowledge.

Why so serious?

 

[airjor13]

Gentlemen, please lets all keep this thread civil!

 

[FocusMike]

Thank you for this post. I would repped you twice if I could.

Now that im home from work for people that care to understand how things work instead of name calling because they dont understand or cant explain or prove why something is happening. Oxygenated race fuels like VP101 carry extra oxygen. So no matter how small your engine is, your supercharger, or your turbo is this will allow you to burn more fuel thus making more power. Very simple this is not black magic. If you turbo only moves 40lbs of air it can only shove so much oxygen allowing you to burn only so much fuel allowing you to make x power. but when you change things like exhaust back pressure or turbo inlet pressure it makes the turbo more dynamic and allows it to flow more air or allows the engine to make more power because exhaust back pressure to charge pressure differential. I can make a thread on explaining this. Considering i have spent over 11years doing this as a carrier and my life i am very educated and experienced in turbo charged EFI internal combustion engine you can call me a fool, you can read, or you can converse with me either way i dont plan to name call or leave. Seems like plenty of people appreciate someone that take the time to teach.

Russ

 

[DHM1]

Thank you for this post. I would repped you twice if I could.

Thank you! i have been doing ECU calibration for over 7 years and engine R&D for over 11 years. I am AEM infinity factory trained, EFI University trained (EFI101 and XFI), I use to work for FAST & TCI doing controls, I also hold two Associate degrees in applied science one for High performance technology one for automotive technology, also work for Moran Motorsports were i built engine and tuned cars that made no less that 1600hp most were 2600-4400hp turbo efi. When i say i made this my career i have done just that. So some people do this as a hobby were this is my life when i get a chance to go to a seminar or a class i do it. Just like any thing if you dont keep sharping your skills and learning you will only be walking backwards.

 

[re-rx7]

Oh god. Here we go with the credentials. So this car of cobba should dyno around 250-260 whp on a dynojet? Because Cobb uses a mustang dyno. A fist got tuned at the Plano location which I'm close to and guess what it made after tuning on 93 with full boltons it made 205 on a mustang dyno. Also this is through a CATTED dp. All they have to do to shut us all up is post a log or some qtr mile mph like they said they were going to do.

 

[re-rx7]

Thank you for this post. I would repped you twice if I could.

This guy cracks me up. Mr.sensitive lol

 

[JPGC]

Oh god. Here we go with the credentials. So this car of cobba should dyno around 250-260 whp on a dynojet? Because Cobb uses a mustang dyno. A fist got tuned at the Plano location which I'm close to and guess what it made after tuning on 93 with full boltons it made 205 on a mustang dyno. Also this is through a CATTED dp. All they have to do to shut us all up is post a log or some qtr mile mph like they said they were going to do.

Dyno jets don't always produce higher numbers than mustang dynos. Yes you would think that they would, but it's not always the case. It all depends on the calibration and settings.
Just like all things performance and dyno related...I could care less really about the numbers that were produced on TST FiST. I do consider the gains and that's about it. Their stock and OTS Stg numbers were higher than others that I've seen with the same mods...including mine. So, I would expect the same with the VP100 protune.